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Ubuntu 10.04
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Ubuntu 10.04 is here. I'm downloading it. >:(

SiegeLord
Member #7,827
October 2006
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Ubuntu is an open-source alternative to Windows and Office.

What.

Anyway, will try it (Kubuntu) out on my laptop sometime today/tomorrow I think.

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Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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Quote:
Quote:

Ubuntu is an open-source alternative to Windows and Office.

What.

Linux neckbeards see themselves as being at war with Microsoft. Windows and Office are Microsoft products. The end.

Pro tip: Wherever you see "open-source alternative to", replace it with "nerd-protest against".

SiegeLord
Member #7,827
October 2006
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I was mostly confused at how an OS can be an alternative to an office suite :P

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gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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Eh. When Xubuntu 10.4 is released, I'll give it a whirl on the EEE. But in general, I'm becoming fed up with desktop Linux - they can't even get an hourglass cursor (or any kind of "I'm busy and will ignore interactivity until I'm done" marker) right, FFS. >:(

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Mokkan
Member #4,355
February 2004
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I'm upgrading from 9.10 Netbook Remix on my EEE right now. I'm interested to see what's changed!

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Mokkan said:

I'm upgrading from 9.10 Netbook Remix on my EEE right now. I'm interested to see what's changed!

I hope they made the keyboard and screen bigger! :D

kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

I downloaded the Xubuntu 10.04 RC a few days ago. I was still annoyed by the notification messages appearing out of position and disappearing when I move the mouse over the place where they appear so I can't close them (this might be an error with Intel drivers), so I used it for, like, 15 minutes and rebooted into Windows.

I'll probably try the official release... for another 15 minutes.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I'm annoyed with Linux before the livecd even finishes booting. :-X

kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

BAF said:

I'm annoyed with Linux before the livecd even finishes booting. :-X

No surprise there.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Real Linux fanboys such as myself think Ubuntu is African for "I'm too dumb to use Slackware". It's for those timid souls taking their first baby steps away from Windows.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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Or wants something that works out of the box... more or less... ok, sometimes not much :P I don't know if trying it... I've been searching but I cannot find if the grub 2 bug (present in Ubuntu 9.10) that made the computer unbootable when dual booting with windows is still there :/. And I don't want to lose time in something that doesn't work :P

kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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I just tried kubuntu 10.04 in a VirtualBox VM. It booted quite fast, about 3-4 seconds. Everything looks functional and whatnot. I'll try it on my netbook later tonight..

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Theres been a lot of grub updates in the past 6 months, the bug is unlikely to be there.

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kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

It's for those timid souls taking their first baby steps away from Windows.

And yet it's not enough. I find myself going back to Windows every time and I'm one of those willing to dive a bit into Linux. Most casual users wouldn't survive without Windows.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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And how many years of Windows experience do you have as opposed to how many weeks you tried Linux?

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kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

Well, yeah, good point. But for a normal user it is kinda hard to stick to Linux when you find some annoyances like... one that comes to mind... mouse lag. Watching the mouse lag is not only annoying, but it also gives a very bad general impression. Granted, I have a really old machine but MS solved the mouse lag ever since Windows 95.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Mouse lag? Try disabling compositing. And maybe increasing the mouse acceleration.

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Yeah, generally I find the mouse (by default) moves faster in Linux (Gnome; Fedora) than it does in Windows. I don't experience lag. If you're experiencing lag then it's probably that the distribution you've installed is tuned for newer hardware. Windows can still lag too. Hell, two or three times a day Seven locks up completely on me and the 'busy' circle suddenly enlarges and blurs, etc. ::) That lasts anywhere from 5 minutes until it BSODs. :P

Linux is capable of running on very old hardware. Linux itself is just a kernel (and I guess modules AKA drivers). It knows nothing of desktops and file explorers. There are various desktop environments that can be installed in a Linux-based system. Some are rich and expensive and are similar to Windows in functionality. Some are more conservative and efficient and perform better on older hardware. Some users don't even need nor want a desktop and just use a text-based environment. Linux can do it all and does it well, but sometimes it requires the user to make it. GNU/Linux distributions are written by programmers for programmers. Ubuntu tries to be n00b friendly, but there's still a long way to go.

Edited.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I don't ever remember seeing mouse lag except when I messed up my Hercules 1bit 720x348 passive TSR driver on a 8Mhz 8086! I did see slow menu drawing etc. on that old AMD K6-2 that had a crappy VIA SIS chipset that wouldn't work with anything but VESA in xorg.config.

[EDIT]

Ah, memories!

http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/476612

[EDIT 2]

and the upgrade

http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/524349/527762

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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I haven't noticed any mouse lag in particular, but the UI options for Linux are pretty horrid. For a while, I was trying every distro, desktop environment, custom theme, etc. I could find. I never did find anything as comfortable as OS X or Windows 7, so I gave up.

Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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Real Linux fanboys such as myself think Ubuntu is African for "I'm too dumb to use Slackware". It's for those timid souls taking their first baby steps away from Windows.

I started using Linux about 15 years ago, and I would take Ubuntu over slackware any day. I choose not to use either anymore though, I'm only a former Linux fanboy.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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It's mostly preference. I spend most of my time in Linux at a bash shell (either in gnome-terminal or from an ssh session in Cygwin). The only graphical applications I use in Linux (or on any platform) are a Web browser (typically Firefox) and an MSN client (WLM, aMSN, or occasionally Gaim Pidgin). They each have their advantages and disadvantages. WLM doesn't flush its logs so if your computer crashes (and it's Windows so it will) then you'll lose any ongoing messages, or messages that arrive when you're AFK. aMSN is quite nice. It uses a similar UI to the official MSN client (without the eye candy bloat of WLM) and it flushes logs. It also tells you more information than the official WLM client does. Can't recall any complaints, but I've been exclusively in Windows 7 for a few months, where WLM just fits in better[1], so that doesn't guarantee that there are none. Gaim Pidgin doesn't match the MSN UI that I'm used to, but is otherwise nice as well (it also flushes logs and tries to tell you more information than the official client does).

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  1. Albeit, I need to run it as a Vista application to get the notification icon back. Without that, I'd readily throw away WLM.
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I guess it's just the control freak in me. I have a congenital hatred of people always telling me what to do for no good reason. I hate IDE's, C++ (I've mellowed to C over assembler the last few years), I hate Obama, and I hate Windows. Recently I cough acquired cough an old 1995'ish game that runs on Windows, and I ran it in a VM. The game complained if it wasn't run on a 256 color desktop, so in addition to all the crap about "Your computer isn't protected" (as if I'd allow it on the internet to get updates) and "You have unused icons" (which it doesn't give me permission to clean up) I had a "Your screen settings are less than optimal. Would you like me to change them?" dialog that had me ready to put my fist through the monitor glass.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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bamccaig said:

if your computer crashes (and it's Windows so it will)

I hear this a lot, which makes me wonder... Are people throwing bricks at their computers? I haven't had an OS-related crash on any platform in years.



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