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My new programming language. |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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You can tell that after two weeks? What did you expect? For thousands of people to go "woa, that's fantastic, best thing ever!" and give you feedback ten times a day? It's the internet. No one cares what you do, and those few that do probably won't tell you that they do. There is only one reason why you should consider developing your own programming language: because that's what you want to do. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Why does axilmar spell canceled like an American, but BAF spells it like a foreigner? Evert said: There is only one reason why you should consider developing your own programming language: because that's what you want to do. Maybe he meant his own lack of interest? |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Hey, what do you know, the British have one spelling that actually seems correct. 'Canceled' looks wrong to me. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Basic rule learned in first grade spelling class: when the accent is on the first syllable of a two syllable word, you don't double the consonant. |
axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001
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Evert said:
You can tell that after two weeks? What did you expect? For thousands of people to go "woa, that's fantastic, best thing ever!" and give you feedback ten times a day? It's the internet. No one cares what you do, and those few that do probably won't tell you that they do. If, in a site full of programmers, the interest is so low, then why should I do it? Frankly, I expected a little bit more interest. Quote: There is only one reason why you should consider developing your own programming language: because that's what you want to do. There is no point if programmers are not interested in it. Matthew Leverton said: Maybe he meant his own lack of interest? I am interested in it, but it doesn't really matter if no one else is interested in it. It's not that it is a programming challenge, it's just that if no one is interested in it, then why bother? Quote: Why does axilmar spell canceled like an American, but BAF spells it like a foreigner?
Because the Firefox spellchecker suggested it and I couldn't be bothered fixing it. |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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axilmar said: If, in a site full of programmers, the interest is so low, then why should I do it? Frankly, I expected a little bit more interest.
First of all, not everyone here is a programmer. Second of all, not everyone who is a programmer is interested in yet-another obscure programming language - especially one that is not even available yet and for which it remains to be seen whether the person developing it will actually be able to finish it and get a working compiler. Quote: There is no point if programmers are not interested in it.
Yes, I'm sure people started asking where the blog and the language went because they didn't really think it was interesting. The "lack of interest by other people" sounds like a lazy and cheap excuse to me. |
Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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Smells like monday to me.
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Calendar said: Monday, January 25, 2010.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Evert said: The "lack of interest by other people" sounds like a lazy and cheap excuse to me. Indeed. If I stopped working on my stuff because other people didn't seem to be interested, I'd never get ANYTHING done. One reason I'm trying to get this silly game of mine done. To prove that I can actually finish something. I KNOW I could do it if I tried, the problem is the trying. Most times, once I realize I can do the thing I'm trying to do, my motivation and energy goes away. This time the challenge is finishing the project to a satisfactory level. Tedious, but hey I won't know if I can do it till I do it -- |
verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: If I stopped working on my stuff because other people didn't seem to be interested, I'd never get ANYTHING done. Lately I've been programming routines for quantum optics/field mechanics and not only is it impossible to make sense out of the math involved and the physical theory underlying it, but the complexity of the code involved as well, plus no one cares about my work, although I never even mention to people much. So I don't think making a game or any software should depend on the people you want to cater to.
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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001
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Evert said:
First of all, not everyone here is a programmer. Second of all, not everyone who is a programmer is interested in yet-another obscure programming language - especially one that is not even available yet and for which it remains to be seen whether the person developing it will actually be able to finish it and get a working compiler. I did not expect a 24/7 interest in my project. I expected a little more interest than the interest shown so far. I do not think it was that obscure, as I gave plenty of examples both in grammar and features. I thought that since since almost everyone here is a programmer, the interest in a tool better than what they currently would interest them. Alas, I was mistaken. Quote: Again, what do you expect? If you announce something like this you'll get a flurry of interest, then silence. Interest will start up again when you release a preliminary or early version of your project. Perhaps my interest in languages is more then the average guy then - because if a new and interesting language was designed, I would follow the developments every day and also try to propose my own ideas based on my own needs and experience. But that's just me. It seems other programmers only care about the output of their work and not so much about the tools. Quote: The "lack of interest by other people" sounds like a lazy and cheap excuse to me. Not really. It just that it was a bit of a let down. Thomas Fjellstrom said: To prove that I can actually finish something. I can do it, what's the point if no one cares? as I said, it's not about the technical challenge. It's also not solving my own problems...I can easily write tones of code in C++, as I have done in the last decade. It's the industry's problem. But this is a lengthy discussion, perhaps for another time. verthex said: So I don't think making a game or any software should depend on the people you want to cater to. Perhaps not if you are doing it for your own pleasure. |
Tomoso
Member #3,128
January 2003
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Concepts can be interesting, but if we were all planning to program a bit of software with a lanaguage that is still only an idea, we might as well just use peusdo code and use our imagination to compile it. Lazy Noob - Blog |
verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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axilmar said: Perhaps not if you are doing it for your own pleasure. Nope, not having much fun doing it.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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axilmar said: I can do it, what's the point if no one cares? I realized a while back that even though I knew I could do it, I never actually did. So really, could I? I won't actually know till I do. -- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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^ This. It's easy to say you can do something. You don't really know until you've done it. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Never even bother starting a project unless a) your own self interest will keep you motivated or b) you can make a lot of money with it. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Matthew Leverton said: b) you can make a lot of money with it. Thats one problem I'm having right now. I have my doubts I'll be able to make much off this game, if any. We'll see. But most of my motivations is to see it through. I have some other project ideas that might have a better chance at making money, but I figure I should start small, this current game is rather simple compared to the other ideas. Sort of a stepping stone. Also, I learn by doing. If I don't do, I don't learn. So yeah. It'll be good experience for future projects. -- |
Peter Wang
Member #23
April 2000
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axilmar said: I thought that since since almost everyone here is a programmer, the interest in a tool better than what they currently would interest them. Alas, I was mistaken. That's a bit arrogant. I didn't bother to read this thread until today. Programming languages are a dime a dozen. Programmers know this. What's to set your toy project apart from the crowd? axilmar said: What I'd like to create is a C-like programming language but with all the bells and whistles of modern programming languages: garbage collection, a nice static type system, support object oriented programming with interfaces, support for functional programming, templates, Unicode etc, but without the problems that plug C++ or D. Oh, another imperative programming language. Without an implementation. Next.
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verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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Matthew Leverton said: a) your own self interest will keep you motivated or b) you can make a lot of money with it. I guess you could've just said "Never even bother starting a project unless you're a capitalist"
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I'd add a third catagory c) You're a glory hound. (Open Source people?) You might argue that glory hounds have to enjoy building whatever it is in the first place or burn out before it's finished, but the same argument could be made toward making money. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: You might argue that glory hounds have to enjoy building whatever it is in the first place or burn out before it's finished, but the same argument could be made toward making money. I wonder though, where would the makers of Tetris fall into. I suppose most of you don't know the story behind Tetris, but basically the makers were not allowed to export the game and make profit in their own country because of communism during the USSR. I guess they were glory hounds.
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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verthex said: "Never even bother starting a project unless you're a capitalist" Or you have enough interest in the project to keep yourself motivated. Can anyone read around here? Arthur Kalliokoski said: c) You're a glory hound. (Open Source people?) Most open source is very selfish in nature, generally the projects are created for personal interest. verthex said: I wonder though, where would the makers of Tetris fall into. I suppose most of you don't know the story behind Tetris, but basically the makers were not allowed to export the game and make profit in their own country because of communism during the USSR. I guess they were glory hounds. Hmm, seems like self interest to me. |
ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Glory can get you jobs (and hence money). |
verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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BAF said: Hmm, seems like self interest to me. Well, that too! Except you may have trouble understanding that in communism, that cannot exist either... According to the government that is, that's the problem with China, no self interest or privacy allowed there.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Someone who claims to act selflessly or altruistically is lying, to others and quite possibly himself. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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