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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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My phone can do all you said and more. I can put however big of a memory card I can get (8GB, 16GB, 32GB in the future, etc), I get full GPS and navigation, I can install Google Maps Mobile, I have Office Mobile. I can play Windows Media/divx/etc, probably real media if I installed a player (but why bother, RM sucks), etc. They are hardly unique features in the smartphone world. The only "smart" phone that probably can't do some of that is the iPhone (can't edit office docs). |
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phate
Member #2,235
April 2002
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BAF said: The only "smart" phone that probably can't do some of that is the iPhone (can't edit office docs). Most of the problems with the iPhone will be fixed with iPhoneOS 3.0 released (or now if you Jailbreak). I real admit that a good chunk of these features should have been in there since day one, but at least we will finally get them. As for editing office docs, there are many apps to alleviate that issue. I love my iPhone to death. I had to revert back to a my old WinMo phone for a week when the dock connector fried. Lets just say I'm glad I switched and am never going back, although there are a few things I miss. I am just going to say this: If you want a Media player that happens the be a phone, and are willing to accept a few missing features (filesystem access, no native Office, Tyranny of Apple, among others) then get an iPhone. If you want a highly customizable platform and are willing to except lackluster thirdparty support (outside of the ROM community), substandard default software, lack of love from Microsoft, then grab a WinMo phone and jump over to XDA-Developers If you just want to abuse yourself get a Palm OS device (Palm Pre excluded) |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Let's not forget that having an iPhone forces you into an expensive as hell AT&T plan. I have no major issues with my Windows Mobile phone, and I pay $30/month+tax for my plan, including unlimited texting/data/etc. Windows Mobile phones are fairly open, you can pretty much do whatever you want without paying and being censored by Apple, and without hacking the phone as well. |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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Apple sells standalone iPhones,[1] since the AT&T exclusivity contract expired, with prices between $599 and $699. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Relevantly to Cody though, and besides any other consideration, I think the iPhone is GSM only, that being the predominant international standard. His carrier is CDMA only. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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BAF said: probably real media if I installed a player (but why bother, RM sucks) I'm surprised those bastards are still around. Probably because they put their leaches on every mom's computer. -- |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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iPhone is GSM, so you don't have many choices in the USA anyway, so you'd still be stuck with AT&T most likely. So if you're going to pay their rip off prices, you might as well get the contract/subsidized phone cost from them. |
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phate
Member #2,235
April 2002
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BAF said: Let's not forget that having an iPhone forces you into an expensive as hell AT&T plan. I have no major issues with my Windows Mobile phone, and I pay $30/month+tax for my plan, including unlimited texting/data/etc. Windows Mobile phones are fairly open, you can pretty much do whatever you want without paying and being censored by Apple, and without hacking the phone as well.
I'm actually paying less for my iPhone then I was with my WinMo phone, however I will admit I was an idiot and didn't setup things right on the WinMo phone and that I also have a 47% discount from AT&T now on the iPhone Also while WinMo is more liberal on what you can do with them (eg installing software) it is in know way an open platform. Just to install a different ROM I either have to SuperCID, HardSPL, or use a hacked RUU updater. This mentions nothing of the fact that inorder to do any coding on the thing your have to pickup a copy of Visual Studio 2005 or 2008, at least with the iphone I can jailbreak and snag a copy of GCC for it. And WinMo can be locked down just as tight as the iPhone in default configs, just look at the Moto Q or the T-mobile Dash. And Microsoft can be censoring too, there is a reason that most of the ROM links on XDA and elseware are hosted on thirdparty sites, MS got pissed when WinMo6 got leaked and hacked to run on most every device. ReyBrujo said: Apple sells standalone iPhones,[1] since the AT&T exclusivity contract expired, with prices between $599 and $699. Actually the contract did not end, its still in effect until 2010 at least. They are just trying to clear out stocks and to get more people signed up on AT&T, they maybe contract free but the are certainly still locked to ATT's network. |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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One day the phone companies here said "Ok, forget CDMA and all the other standards, everyone will use GSM". And in 8 months, every company switched. They even sent GSM phones to those in CDMA networks that could not or would not want to buy the GSM phone themselves. Why can't USA do something similar? Wouldn't it be better if you had a single network? Of course, GSM is pretty unstable (limited nodes, which lowers signal strength and sometimes even leave you without it), but looks like it is the standard to use. phate said: Actually the contract did not end, its still in effect until 2010 at least. They are just trying to clear out stocks and to get more people signed up on AT&T, they maybe contract free but the are certainly still locked to ATT's network. Interesting. The article says the Apple Stores sells them unlocked and without contract, though. If you buy from an AT&T store they asks you to be an existing client only. -- |
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Cody Harris
Member #4,406
March 2004
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GSM here is pretty poor. Out east GSM is new in the past few years, and it's still lacking in many places where the local CDMA provider has been well established for many many years. That being said, the two CDMA providers here are planning on switching to GSM sometime in the future. --------------------------------- |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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phate said: Also while WinMo is more liberal on what you can do with them (eg installing software) it is in know way an open platform. Just to install a different ROM I either have to SuperCID, HardSPL, or use a hacked RUU updater. This mentions nothing of the fact that inorder to do any coding on the thing your have to pickup a copy of Visual Studio 2005 or 2008, at least with the iphone I can jailbreak and snag a copy of GCC for it. And WinMo can be locked down just as tight as the iPhone in default configs, just look at the Moto Q or the T-mobile Dash. And Microsoft can be censoring too, there is a reason that most of the ROM links on XDA and elseware are hosted on thirdparty sites, MS got pissed when WinMo6 got leaked and hacked to run on most every device. It is a lot more open than the iPhone just because of that. Anyway, the reason for having to install a hacked SPL/whatever isn't WinMo's fault, it has to do with the bootloader written by the manufacturer, because they lock it down to only load signed ROMs. As far as GCC, I dunno if there is a version that can target WM or not, so I won't argue that point. And if you get a phone with a locked down default config, it is almost definitely the carrier's fault. MS doesn't do any of the locking down, whereas Apple does. As far as ROMs, ppcgeeks has FTP space hosting roms for most people. MS doesn't bother them too much, in fact, I only recall MS taking action once in You mention them going after people when WinMo 6 got leaked. Well of course, because it was leaked. It seems to me that publicly released stuff is fair play, but anything leaked is a big no no. It seems pretty obvious, at least to me, that Windows Mobile seems pretty open. Granted you don't get all the source code or anything crazy like you do with Android, but you can do mostly whatever you want. |
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OICW
Member #4,069
November 2003
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ReyBrujo said: One day the phone companies here said "Ok, forget CDMA and all the other standards, everyone will use GSM". And in 8 months, every company switched. They even sent GSM phones to those in CDMA networks that could not or would not want to buy the GSM phone themselves. Why can't USA do something similar? Wouldn't it be better if you had a single network? I've never known that CDMA is used for anything besides data streaming. Around here GSM is standard, all networks work with it and send voice and text through it. CDMA and other technologies are used for mobile internet, which costs hell of a money. [My website][CppReference][Pixelate][Allegators worldwide][Who's online] |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Cody Harris said: That being said, the two CDMA providers here are planning on switching to GSM sometime in the future. Technically they are switching to LTE, which iirc is a combination of CDMA and GSM, taking the best parts of each, but it is more GSM than it is CDMA. And also, iirc most places will either use LTE or Mobile WiMax. Mobile WiMax will reach the market first in a large way, but I think many carriers are still betting on LTE even if they will be a couple years late. -- |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Around here, Verizon Wireless is switching to LTE, and Sprint is staying CDMA, but rolling out WiMax for 4g data. |
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