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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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yea that's it O! talk to the camera!! -- |
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Hard Rock
Member #1,547
September 2001
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Quote: I just can't escape the feeling that tomorrow 57% of people are going to say that McCain won.
Tomorrow? He already has: _________________________________________________ |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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And yes, McCain has to throw in one more ... "I've been in" geographical moment ... to end the show. |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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He is winning, his goal is to waste time and get nothing done. Generally, when people like McCain know they can't win in a fair fight, they don't play fair. He has won by virtue of wasting Obama's time. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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I don't think "McCain Wins Debate! [Paid for by McCain-Palin 2008]" really sends a good message. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Quote: [McCain] has won by virtue of wasting Obama's time. Well said! |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Alright, I think it came out about even. McCain wins the seductive speaker award. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Still though, there was no Jack Kennedy/there you go again/eye rolling moment. What's the deal with the podium debates versus the ones where they all seem to sit around then get up and walk around when answering? Is that format reserved for the townhall-style questioning? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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McCain Seductive? I think he comes off dull and a poor public speaker. -- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Quote: Is that format reserved for the townhall-style questioning? Yes. |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Quote: McCain Seductive? It was the delicious tamber with which he spoke of the veterans "Which I love very much. And I'll take care of them. They know I'll take care of them." It made me want to vomit. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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I think both candidates did really well. I guess public perception will be all down to how the morning news edits. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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I thought they both started off a bit stilted but became more comfortable after the first 10 minutes or so. I thought Obama did pretty well. Right now there saying it's a tie with McCain a slight lead. I thought McCain did really well. Obama sounded like he was debating with Bush, not McCain. By referencing the decision to enter the war in the first place he came across as an 'monday morning quarterback'. Instead of addressing Iraq going forward he spent his time bringing up the past. Personally, I'm tired of the 'blame game'. I think McCains bipartisan remarks will be significant. He has a legitimate record of bipartisanship, and some of that came across. Obama is the most liberal Democrat in the Senate, and as McCain said, it's bound to be hard to reach across the aisle when Obama is that far to the left. Significant because the only politicians with lower approval ratings than Bush is the Congress. Quote: McCain sounds like a broken record when he keeps going back to his same point that Obama just countered. McCain basically debates like an a.cc'er.
Yes, but which one? Edit: thinking about it some more; One thing that really strikes me is the difference in the two candidates positions from the Primary's to now. Obama was much further to the left in the Primary's when he was speaking to the Democrat base. Hillary was much more to the center. McCain was in the center but leaned to the right in the primaries for the Conservative base. Now, Obama has moved to the center and McCains rhetoric hasn't changed that much from primary's. While Obama is like an entirely different candidate. Edit 2: Here's your 'eye rolling' moment: .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc Is this the election for McCain? |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I thought they both handled themselves well and nothing was gained for either side. I'm more interested in the VP debate. From what I've seen of Palin, she's going to get blown out of the water if there are any detailed questions about anything other than killing polar bears in Alaska. Quote: Is this the election for McCain? Yeah, if you mean he'll be dead before the next one. It's going to be close... down to the wire. I'll give McCain credit there. He's kept it close in a year where Democrats should have it "easy." But I still don't see how McCain will win. He's unlikely to win any Kerry states, and Obama should be able to win at least three new states (Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico). |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Aw, I missed the debate. When is this election, anyway? -- |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Its still months away. -- |
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superstar4410
Member #926
January 2001
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Months away? What country are you in? It must be true wikipedia says soo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008 Don't take yourself too seriously, but do take your responsibilities very seriously. |
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. In politics, it's hard to avoid though... |
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Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007
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Didn't see the debate, fell asleep. I'm going to watch it now. I'll just say this, when I see Obama, I think "healthy, energetic, filled with power". When I see McCain, I think "For God's sake, get him down from there, he is going to get a heart attack!" In capitalist America bank robs you. |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: Here's your 'eye rolling' moment: .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc Is this the election for McCain? That's hilarious. Obama agreed with McCain on several points, so he's not ready to lead? What would they say about McCain, who agrees with McCain on all points? EDIT: yeah, though, even with the perspective of a sleep, a new day and some menial morning tasks, I'd still call it a draw. I'd be surprised if either candidate managed to talk any voters into supporting them that didn't before. The townhall and the VPs should be more interesting. Maybe. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Quote: Here's your 'eye rolling' moment: .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc Is this the election for McCain? I was worried this might happen. Obama is being respectful and his opponents turn it against him. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Oh, look at this: Quote: CBS ran a poll immediately after the debate and found that among undecided voters, 39% thought Obama won vs. 24% who thought McCain won. In addition, 46% of the uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better and only 8% said their opinion got worse. For McCain, 32% said they now thought more of him but 21% thought worse of him after the debate. So both candidates managed to improve their standing during the debate. I guess maybe people perceived Obama as being better on the economy, McCain being better on the war and the economy as being much more important than the war? EDIT: you know what, if both are so into bipartisan politics, maybe they could just agree a jobshare? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Quote: if both are so into bipartisan politics, maybe they could just agree a jobshare?
Or what about, McCain runs for president with Obama as his running mate and Obama runs for president with McCain as his running mate? So all the voters have to decide is who gets the number one spot. |
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nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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I thought this analysis was pretty spot on: .http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/26/mccain-won-but-will-it-matter.aspx Quote: What I am arguing is that while Obama blasted Bush, McCain looked past him. Coupled with his reliance on catchy anecdotes over bullet-pointed policy positions--"defying Reagan on the Lebanon deployment, the bracelet belonging to the mother of a dead soldier, the firing of Chris Cox, the bear DNA"--this post-Bush perspective may help McCain appeal to moderates, a group that's more interested in solving problems than engaging in the partisan blame game. It was probably a matter of necessity more than anything else. But he used it to his advantage.
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Tiny note: for those with iTunes (and probably others, but I don't have a URL for them), CBS are making the presidential debates available as a podcast here. Quote: Or what about, McCain runs for president with Obama as his running mate and Obama runs for president with McCain as his running mate? So all the voters have to decide is who gets the number one spot. Wouldn't using that system just encourage assassinations? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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