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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Do you think it works as well if Obama just points out that they aren't true in simple, clear language? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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No. The seed is already sown. |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Oh well. Point to McCain! EDIT: Neat save by Obama on the liberal charge; he turned it into an anti-Bush compliment. I'm not sure he sounds completely together on energy, but rejecting a spending freeze so as to increase childhood education is clever. Oh dear though, if I were anti-surge Obama I'd be avoiding mentioning Iraq. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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So, who won? -- |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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McCain's solutions are more dramatic and unreasonable, he's also making wider generalizations to make Obama look bad. [edit:] it's going on right now... looks like McCain is ahead, but for the wrong reasons. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Hmmm, I think I agree with McCain on nuclear power. Though I'm not supposed to admit it in public. EDIT: I don't think McCain is winning, I still call it a draw. McCain isn't 100% coherent. If he becomes president he is going to start by cancelling some of the new spending plans that Obama has planned? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Oh, Obama's callin him out!! -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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But now we're onto the surge. But it's fair that McCain should be able to benefit from that — he voted for something that was very unpopular which has subsequently become popular. EDIT: actually, ditch that, Obama's successfully playing the judgment card on his initial opposition. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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They need to be talking into the camera. Obama did it a few seconds there. [e]O's gettin fired up! -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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I think they're both coming off quite poorly here. Does claiming that Obama won't concede that the surge is working achieve anything when he said it was just moments before? EDIT: Actually, I think Obama's timetable comments might have resolved most of my issues with his record. Though I really, really don't think voters are that interested in Iraq any more. New question please! [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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McCain repeats himself ... either because he's too old to remember what he's already said or because he doesn't have anything else to say. That's the trouble when all you have is little one liners on note cards. But yes, this Iraq stuff is boring. Talk about Palin. |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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...in a corset -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Neat name drop of Karzai there by Obama. Who says he has no foreign policy credentials? I think it's going the way you suggested though; Obama is winning arguments, McCain is winning style. EDIT: is McCain grooming Petraeus for 2012/2016? EDIT2: is McCain about to show us his bracelet? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Haha, Obama said, "I don't know how much I can trust someone singing songs about bombing Iran." That's great. That clip of McCain doing that is so funny. McCain invokes Ronald Reagon's name. A reverent hush falls over all Republicans. |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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I'm more impressed with McCain's inflections and tone of voice. Obama seems a little more desperate. -- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Agreed. McCain is like the smug internet troll, and Obama is the disgusted truth teller. |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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calamitus Quote: McCain invokes Ronald Reagon's name. A reverent hush falls over all Republicans. hahaha [edit]eh, said Reagan again -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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I think Obama pushing this face-to-face talks thing is smart — it's making McCain sound quite unpragmatic. And, now, a bit impetuous. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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I agree. I think Obama came out ahead on that topic; he was able to weaken McCain's implications about the "meeting unconditionally with foreign leaders." -- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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McCain sounds like a broken record when he keeps going back to his same point that Obama just countered. McCain basically debates like an a.cc'er. |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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McCain: "I looked into Putin's eyes and I saw three letters... a K, a G and a B" and we shouldn't be worrying about his old-timer's disease!? -- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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It's okay, McCain has been everywhere. Next we'll hear about him inside Hitler's den. |
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Obama is having to spend more time clarifying McCain's misleading comments than actually discussing things that matter. I sense it frustrating him. This is becoming my overall reaction to the debate so far. -- |
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Obama is definitely ticking all my boxes. I just can't escape the feeling that tomorrow 57% of people are going to say that McCain won. EDIT: didn't Obama acknowledge the achievements of the surge earlier in this debate? Or did I misunderstand? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Obama, wrong about the surge. McCain, wrong about the war. |
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