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Palin ?!?!?! WTF?
nonnus29
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McCain picked the Gov of Alaska to be his running mate, WTF?!?!?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes

So we've got:

Democrats:
President: Obama no experience
Vice Pres: Biden lots of experience

Republicans:
President: McCain lots of exp
Vice Pres: Palin less exp than Obama

Since McCain is old and since old people have tendancy to die, Palin could be president. I don't know what I think about this development.... ???

Edit: I had the state wrong and I said lieutenant gov, not Gov.

Thomas Harte
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A cynical play for the lost Clinton votes? Has there been a female vice-president before, or can we now be absolutely certain that at least one skin colour or gender glass ceiling will be broken on November 4?

nonnus29
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August 2002
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Nope, there's never been a female vice president. Geraldine Farro was the Democrat vice pres candidate back in 1984 I think, Mondale and her lost to Reagan/Bush.

I was hoping McCain would pick Lieberman... >:(

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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I was really hoping Obama would pick Hillary. I could care less who McCain picks.

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AngelChild
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I could care less who McCain picks.

How much less? Are we to take it that you care quite a bit about that?

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Thomas Harte
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How much less? Are we to take it that you care quite a bit about that?

No, Americans just say it the wrong way round. And have turned it into an idiom.

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I was hoping McCain would pick Lieberman...

The Sore Loserman?

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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"Could care less" > "Couldn't care less", so yes, Mark cares.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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Michael Palin as vice president? I approve! ;)

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Matthew Leverton
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No, Americans just say it the wrong way round. And have turned it into an idiom.

Only the ignorant ones. Oh wait, that's probably all of us. Ouch.

I haven't figured out the split between could care / couldn't care. It doesn't seem to be regional, but it is said both ways depending on the person.

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A cynical play for the lost Clinton votes?

You bet. That's what this is all about. It could be a great pick. In fact, he could have picked his 150 year old mother and gotten the same results. The feminist subset of Clinton supports are that ridiculous.

But that said, the hillbilly right might have problems with his pick because they don't want to see a woman in office. However, I doubt that will be a problem.

I thought he might try a south-western VP to keep Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico or a mid-western one to help with Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Indiana. Both of those blocks of states will be critical to Obama if he cannot win Florida or Ohio.

But I guess this locks up Alaska's 3 electoral votes. ;)

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Obama has't been a Senator? Whats this crap I keep hearing about "Experience"?

Oh, I wonder if this Gov of Alaska has the criminal history of Ted Stevens (current Alaska senator iirc)? :) When they first said the "Gov of Alaska" I immediately thought he must have picked Ted, it would be so fitting for a Conservative to pick someone known to be in the pocket of big <insert favorite whipping boy here> and corrupt!

X-G: though at a certain point, to care any less you'd have to make effort, so "Could care less" could easily mean: "I could care less, but I don't want to bother" ;)

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Matthew Leverton
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nonnus29 said:

I don't know what I think about this development....

I forgot to comment on this. I thought you'd think, "I'd hit that."

Frank Griffin
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McCain has said he would like to pick someone he feels comfortable with. This female VP pick has a reputation of a maverick also by bucking party lines. I think that was his main push for her. Running a close second would be the upset Hillary voters he is going to pick up. Many pundits have predicted that if McCain picked a woman, this show was basically over for BO. BO was basically on a sinking ship before and now a cannon ball just ripped into his ship as well.

"Obama hasn't been a Senator? Whats this crap I keep hearing about "Experience"?"

The big deal about the experience issue is that she is on the bottom of the ticket, not the top. Even with less experience Palin has experience that is more appropriate for the top job. She has had executive experience being a mayor and governor of a state. I assume she has not made deals with the likes of ayers or other various hate groups.

"I was really hoping Obama would pick Hillary. I could care less who McCain picks."

If Obama had picked her I think enough idiots would have swept them into office no matter how bad the consequences. This would be bad for america and republicans in the short run but would have been a great boon for the long term. It would remind another generation that Dems need to be kept far away from the main levers of power. The soccer mom mentality is good for raising a family but bad for running a country.

"Has there been a female vice-president before, or can we now be absolutely certain that at least one skin colour or gender glass ceiling will be broken on November 4?"

This is such a non issue. What is important is the continuing success of america. These elections are not about being the most PC, or atleast they should not be. Why not focus on who is best to lead the country perhaps and leave the skin color and sex thing at home.

Lets all hope a few old judges retire in the next four years so we can get rid of the liberal goof balls that are merely playing judge.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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The big deal about the experience issue is that she is on the bottom of the ticket, not the top. Even with less experience Palin has experience that is more appropriate for the top job. She has had executive experience being a mayor and governor of a state. I assume she has not made deals with the likes of ayers or other various hate groups.

Wait, wtf are you replying to? Did I mention Palin?

And for the love of fsck, USE forum mockup.

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Lets all hope a few old judges retire in the next four years so we can get rid of the liberal goof balls that are merely playing judge.

OMFG, bush himself replaced several of them with Conservatives, please try and think about what you say, before you say it :P

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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For the sake of rhetoric, I'll say that "I could care less" means there is no minimum limit to the amount of which I could care. My 'caring' efforts are less than whatever national, unsigned number you can think of.

Him: "I couldn't care less."
Me: "I could."

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Thomas Harte
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This is such a non issue. What is important is the continuing success of america. These elections are not about being the most PC, or atleast they should not be. Why not focus on who is best to lead the country perhaps and leave the skin color and sex thing at home.

Oh, I thoroughly agree with you and I think it is right that this isn't an issue. I was just asking from the point of view of having a general interest in political history but not knowing that much about American history. Please forgive me if you thought I was implying that I thought that any significantly sized portion of the American people will be picking who they vote for based on skin tone.

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Many pundits have predicted that if McCain picked a woman, this show was basically over for BO. BO was basically on a sinking ship before and now a cannon ball just ripped into his ship as well.

Obama does seem to be coming off as a bit of a Kerry-style flip flopper, but my understanding of the polls is that the race is pretty much neck and neck. The Democrat conference has gone better than anyone could have hoped, and I heard one Republican say on the radio this morning that anything less than a 15 point bounce for Obama should be considered a failure. So I guess it'll be interesting to see whether what week-long bounce Obama gets given McCain's brilliantly executed pre-conference spoiler.

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Lets all hope a few old judges retire in the next four years so we can get rid of the liberal goof balls that are merely playing judge.

It's definitely not a smart plan to wait for them to die, I expect McCain is older than most of them... if he were to die in office (which, of course, would be a disgusting thing to wish on anyone) then Palin would surely have had the fastest political progression in history? Though obviously Gerald Ford would still win the progression to the top by extreme luck award having made it to president without winning a single national election.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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infinity minus one!

Ha Ha! Dangly Bits.

heh, I just saw the boss from Harvey Birdman (voiced by Stephen colbert) saying that!

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Obama does seem to be coming off as a bit of a Kerry-style flip flopper

Maybe a little. But McCain has totally reversed track on many of his own beliefs, infact, he's now against Bills of his own creation ::) only because they werent exactly along party lines. He's turned into the GOP's puppet.

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Bob Keane
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Nope, there's never been a female vice president. Geraldine Farro was the Democrat vice pres candidate back in 1984 I think, Mondale and her lost to Reagan/Bush.

Ferraro actually. I remember the joke about "Fritz and Tits" as the campaign slogan. Palin's husband is a union steelworker, they are trying to appeal to the common man there. However, her being the governor of a state where big oil is the largest employer, we know where this is headed. I really thought my roommate was going to get the nomination. He went to Dayton yesterday.

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ReyBrujo
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Whats this crap I keep hearing about "Experience"?

Obama has legislative experience, but no executive, which is what they complain about. One thing is to legislate and another to execute.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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One thing is to legislate and another to execute.

In this case, Bush has had tons of experience executing people. Not sure thats what is needed though. :P

I don't honestly see the difference between the two. They are both politicians with experience dealing with people, and politics itself. The only WAY to get experience being the president (the only important kind) is to BE the president.

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nonnus29
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Well I've had time to let it sink in, and yep, I'd hit it... oh errr....

It was a masterful stroke by McCain though. He took the wind right out of the Democrats post convention sails. Palin appeals to the Republican base, her persona is tough as nails. All she has to do is not say anything too wrong between now and November. Biden has a reputation for placing his foot in his mouth so she shouldn't fare worse than that guy.

I have to say that my opinions are changing about Obama though. My main reservation against him was the Iraq occupation. Since it's looking like the thing is almost won, how much harm could he cause?

On the energy front I think Obama is much more likely to support some major legislation to push through building a power transmission corridor into the midwest (to get the wind energy to the coast) as Pickens Plan dictates.

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Since it's looking like the thing is almost won, how much harm could he cause?

Harm what? A totally unnecessary war thats killed hundreds of Americans and Iraqis alike?

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On the energy front I think Obama is much more likely to support some major legislation to push through building a power transmission corridor into the midwest (to get the wind energy to the coast) as Pickens Plan dictates.

Might want to get PG&E and their pals to upgrade the actual transmission lines connecting a bunch of the wind farms to the grid. Several are sitting at 20% generation capacity because the lines can't handle the total peak of the small number of installed generators.

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kdevil
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Well, if I was considering voting for McCain before, I'm not anymore. The problem is that McCain is old, and old people tend to die at inopportune times. I really don't want a one-year governor from Alaska as president.

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nonnus29
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Harm what? A totally unnecessary war thats killed hundreds of Americans and Iraqis alike?

Dude. You're like a broken record player. You need to move on. They're negotiating the withdrawal now. Besides, it was thousands, not hundreds.

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Dude. You're like a broken record player.

Do I sense irony? :P

I still want to know how you think an intelligent senator will harm the war.

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