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Indiana Jones 4
Matthew Leverton
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Richard Phipps
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Evert
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November 2000
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I fear for the next Star Trek movie that it's going to be a complete flop.

I'm not sure... the more I hear about it, the more positive I've become over the past few months (tell me if something big happened over the past few weeks, I haven't been paying attention).
Then again, I liked both Insurrection and Nemesis and didn't think First Contact was particularly good (better than Nemsis though).

Anyway, Indy...

SaraJo
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I loved this Indy, the first three are among my favorite all time movies. I was afraid that they would "modernize" this one and make it all snazzy... I was glad that it help the flavor of the first three.

And of course there were unreal stunts and escapes, it's Indiana Jones!

imaxcs
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November 2003

Oh my god it's aliens!! Or is it nazis? No, wait, it just Steven Spielberg.

Mokkan
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February 2004
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I wanna see it, but I don't really have anyone to go with at the moment. Maybe when it's released on DVD or something. :-/

I used to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark a lot when I was a kid. Good times.

ReyBrujo
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Get some personality and go alone 8-)

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OICW
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Get some personality and go alone 8-)

Um, that's like going out on a date alone... Seriously I can't imagine going out to the cinema alone without friends.

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Evert
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Seriously I can't imagine going out to the cinema alone without friends.

I did. Twice actually.
For Star Trek Nemesis a couple of years ago, and last weekend for a small amateur movie. That had some friends in it though, so I guess that doesn't really count.

It's a weird experience for sure. Not so much watching the movie itself as not being able to dicuss it afterwards.

Thomas Harte
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Um, that's like going out on a date single...

As contrasted with only ever accepting dates when you're already in a relationship?

OICW
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As contrasted with only ever accepting dates when you're already in a relationship?

Um that single wasn't meant as single but as alone. (Edit: I think I should be more carefull, edited the original post).

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Thomas Harte
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Um that single wasn't meant as single but as alone. (Edit: I think I should be more carefull, edited the original post).

And I should probably be less of an idiot.

OICW
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Thomas: that's fine, it was really ambiguous expression which started a little misunderstanding.

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By the way, if they are looking for a good Indiana Jones script, they should look no further than the game 'Fate of Atlantis'. Excellent humor, amazing riddles, good enemies, thick plot.

I'm of the same opinion; have been for many years. What would have been quite interesting would be a sequence involving Indy's ride on the German sub viewed from the side (as in the game), Oldboy style.

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JeffTX
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I don't go OUT to see movies anymore. I saw Indiana Jones 1 and 2 in the theatre, but didn't see 3 until it aired on cable TV. I enjoyed them, but not quite enough to spend money on a DVD.

I will probably see 4 whenever it comes to cable.

Alan W.
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November 2006
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I saw it yesterday. It was absolutely disappointing >:(.
It is basically a mix from all Spielberg's movies that results in somekind of frankenstein monster. A complete lack of creativity. A shame, because I love most of his work.

On the other hand, Ford did a good acting.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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I just came back from watching the movie. I'm guessing alternate titles for the movie during production were "Indiana Jones and the Plot Dump of Doom", "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Over-Exposition" or "Indiana Jones and 'Let's Destroy All Mystique!'". The Indiana Jones series has never been much for subtlety or plot, but what it has always had in abundance besides tons of action is atmosphere (well, maybe not so much Temple of Doom...). It's not just that it's only present by accident this one, they're actually going out of their way to destroy it with painful, dragging scenes of exposition. And sevttvat nyvraf. Midichlorians come to mind. :P

And the car chase/fight scene? Three words: poor chroma keying.

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Seriously I can't imagine going out to the cinema alone without friends.

I've done that once. But only because I was stuck in bloody Karlstad and the Swedish army was paying for it. :P

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Thomas Harte
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And the car chase/fight scene? Three words: poor chroma keying.

Yeah, I thought we were partly sold this movie on the idea that computers would be used very sparingly, if at all?

james_lohr
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February 2002

I've noticed that in quite a few recent films which is strange - you'd have thought it's something they'd have mastered by now, but sometimes I wonder if its more about subtle incorrect perspectives than anything.

jhuuskon
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April 2000
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I haven't seen it but it can't possibly be perspective, we've evolved past the point where such mistakes could be made.

Software exists that can orient the viewing frustum for CGI production automatically and reliably enough for TV production (it works by analysing the footage for markers placed on the set). Some making of -show demoed the program in action during the production of the first replicator episode of SG-1.

If they didn't use that, well, ILM for one has had since the early 90's equipment for reading out camera telemetry from the dolly/boom it's mounted to, probably even a steadicam harness. (they've used that telemetry for running robotic camera booms / dollies for some miniature work, such as the crash landing in ST: Generations.

There's no way they can get the perspective wrong in composite shots unless they're so incompetent they can actually mangle automatically generated data. :P

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Evert
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November 2000
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Ok I've seen it now.

What can I say? It was certainly different from the other three. Was it entertaining? Yes, very much so. Dit it feel like Indiana Jones? Well...

I liked that they acknowledge Indy is older in many ways. It's a different movie because of that and that's actually good I think. It's not Raiders or Crusade, but we've already seen those movies and with hindsight I'm not sure I would have been happy with a Raiders clone. It would feel too same-ish for me.

I did not like the blatant references to the other movies all too much. Seeing the warehouse was enough, I didn't have to see a deliberate shot of the Arc of the Covenant in a damaged crate to realise that it was there somewhere. It was too much. All of the other movies contain references to the earlier ones (to Raiders, actually, I don't think Temple of Doom is referenced quite so much) but in more subtle ways. Also, "all those women had one flaw: they weren't you" is one of the corniest lines I remember hearing recently.

Then there's aliens. It's not even a plot twist because the point is basically drilled into you the moment you see the skull, or even before when Roswell is mentioned. Not appreciated. I would have bought some hocus-pocus mumbo-jumbo that isn't really explained (we got plenty of that in the other movies too) but I found the aliens to be too contrived. "Space between spaces" my foot.

Overall the editing felt a bit sloppy in places and not all the characters were as well developed as they could have been. Indy junior was ok, Marion wasn't half as fun as she was in Raiders and the guy whose name I've already forgot who walked into Indy's classroom (we called him Marcus Brody-substitute) could have been fleshed out a bit more (as Marcus was). I would have liked to see at least a cameo of John Rhys-Davies as Sallah in the final scene.

axilmar
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April 2001

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I did. Twice actually.
For Star Trek Nemesis a couple of years ago, and last weekend for a small amateur movie. That had some friends in it though, so I guess that doesn't really count.

It's a weird experience for sure. Not so much watching the movie itself as not being able to dicuss it afterwards

The only movie I saw alone was 'white men can't jump'. Since none of my heavy metal/rock-loving, soccer-loving friends weren't into rap and basketball, I had no other choice.

The only weird thing for me is that you don't share your experience with others.

james_lohr
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February 2002

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Not so much watching the movie itself as not being able to dicuss it afterwards

I know what you mean. Whenever I watch a movie at home alone in my room, I always have to spend an hour or two reading and writing reviews after I'm done watching it to feel satisfied.

Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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There's no way they can get the perspective wrong in composite shots unless they're so incompetent they can actually mangle automatically generated data.

I think its likely to be a combination of lighting, colour and motion blur. Those have to be hard to get right.

kenmasters1976
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July 2007

I think that the movie has too many flaws for a movie that was in the planning for so long and that had so many script revamps (or so they said) to end up with this.

The action scenes suit well for a Indiana Jones movie, but then, looks like a bunch of scenes were just thrown to fill the movie run time. The Tarzan thing is ridiculous; the scene in the sand trap seemed like a excuse to to tell people that Indy hates snakes, but in a very ridiculous way.

And then, american writers, concerned about the bad influence of media on younger people, decided that Indy's partner Mack, I think being a bad person, deserves to be punished, so they kill him. But they do it in a REALLY stupid way.

And the whole thing about Indy being a government agent not only is forced but also TOTALLY unnecessary since for the rest of the movie that fact has no relevance at all.

I could keep writing, like for example the part where a moment they are chasing Cate Blanchet, and the next second they're the ones being chased, but I guess you get the idea of what I think about the movie: I expected more.

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