The 5 best rappers of all times

The 5 best rappers of all times

Slartibartfast

Member #8,789

June 2007

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Milk a cow, kill a pig, do yo thing,
I just dont think thats ma thing.

People who rhyme a word with itself should be shot.
(At least, when they do it thinking it's a good rhyme.)

bamccaig, I agree with Onewing - it seems like both of you are responding to different threads. (which is quite funny as an observer )

(Edited because the forum ate my linebreaks )

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StevenVI

Member #562

July 2000

I will cite this thread as why discussing music with bamccaig is a futile effort.

Seeing as how he doesn't like your song, I'm going to have to listen to it when I get home.

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bamccaig

Member #7,536

July 2006

Onewing said:

Perhaps you should quote me because you've lost me. I don't remember saying (once again, quote me if I did) that any rap/hip hop artist should change the way they do things to appease me and/or people like me.

It's entirely possible I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

Onewing said:

"It's a D12 world" ... "cussin' like a sailor"

I shut it off after hearing that, confirming what I said above was true.

What did this 3 second line confirm?

Harry Carey said:

I will cite this thread as why discussing music with bamccaig is a futile effort.

I too will cite this thread, instead as to why Harry Carey has no right to participate in a discussion about good music. You asked for brutal honesty and couldn't handle it. Your music really does suck. IIRC, most of the feedback you got was along the same lines. Just because I was the only one fulfilling your brutal honesty request you're singling me out.

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In the linked thread, Paul whoknows said:

Your songs are not songs. They are just improvisations of badly performed chords and some basic scales(also badly performed). Obviously you don't have any skill or talent when it comes to music(performance or music writing), IMHO you suck at both.

I don't enjoy your music and probably you don't enjoy it either. Everything in your music is poorly done, it sounds like a bad karaoke session recorded with a cheap cell phone.

Nevermind.

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23yrold3yrold said:

Wow, you'd almost think it was a sequel or something .... ::)

How to do a sequel: D12 - American Psycho*, American Psycho II* featuring B-Real

_{* Explicit lyrics.}

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23yrold3yrold

Member #1,134

March 2001

I won't bother listening, as I assume you know there's more than one way to do a sequel. Find same-iness between two random songs of his, then tell me he repeats.

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axilmar

Member #1,204

April 2001

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Eminem has big companies behind him because he has big people behind him. He's also founded a big company of his own. Back in ~'96 or '97 he got second place in a freestyle competition in Los Angeles, gave a demo to somebody that eventually got the demo to Dr. Dre, one of the most influential people in the industry, who liked it and arranged a meeting. The rest is history -- it's been said that when Dre heard the demo he didn't even realize Eminem was white -- that was apparently a small shock when they first met. Eminem is one of the highest selling artists because he's among the best, NOT because corporate America pushes the product. KJ-52 isn't a big artist because he isn't among the best. I'm sorry, but if you think KJ-52 flows better than Eminem then you don't know what you're talking about.

That's an opinion, and I respect it. But I strongly disagree.

Eminem does not know how to pause between words, how to play with the flow so as that the flow is smooth. He does not balance the verses good enough while keeping the motion intact. KJ-52 does it better.

It's like 2Pac vs, let's say, LL Cool J: while 2Pac is recognized amongst the top rappers, his rapping style is not 'poetry in motion', but someone blasting a speech over a microphone...on the other hand, LL Cool J's way of balancing verses and moving words around is tremendous.

The difference between the two approaches is that the better one makes you bop your head up and down with the beat, while the other leaves you cold. And LL or KJ make me boppin, while Eminem and 2Pac leave me cold.

Personally, I think Eminem is a product of MTV and Dr Dre.

If you want to hear some cool totally head boppin rhyming, look no further than "Daaamm" by Alkaholiks. Incredible, and from a rap-style point of view, this is what rap is all about.

Of course the above is the personal opinion of someone that's been listening to rap music from the days of Grand Master Flash...i.e. don't get too excited about it :-)

EDIT:

check Eminem's freestyle with this (freestyle at Yo MTV Raps' last episode). There is simply no comparison...Eminem's rapping sucks.

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bamccaig

Member #7,536

July 2006

axilmar said:

Not pausing between words is a good thing. It takes more talent to keep the flow going like that without pausing, especially when you're freestyling/battling. Eminem does make the flow smooth -- he just fills in the gaps instead of pausing unnecessarily. Whatever. You're entitled to your opinion, as am I. ::)

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BAF

Member #2,981

December 2002

We can fill in gaps in our posts at a.cc with random bullshit to make us better at free styling and battling one another too. Cuss like a cunt licking bitch fucking a dog, because I've run out of intelligent stuff to say. This is a.cc yo, lets rap to the max till the max raps to you yo you yo yo yo you you yo yo bitch cunt fuck damn shit hell.

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bamccaig

Member #7,536

July 2006

BAF said:

Good rappers (like Eminem) don't fill the gaps in with bullshit... It's just continuously clever as opposed to repeatedly pausing because you can't come up with something clever that actually fills the line.

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BAF

Member #2,981

December 2002

I wouldn't call Eminem clever, just a bunch of random BS most of the time to "fill it in." And most of his stuff is pre-written and all, very little is freestyle.

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Neil Black

Member #7,867

October 2006

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If that wasn't so long I'd sig it.

bamccaig

Member #7,536

July 2006

BAF said:

I wouldn't call Eminem clever, just a bunch of random BS most of the time to "fill it in."

Have any examples?

BAF said:

And most of his stuff is pre-written and all, very little is freestyle.

Freestyling is cool, but written rhymes have a lot more potential. A rapper doesn't actually make money for freestyling (at least, not usually). Besides, a freestyle is more about being creative in the spur of the moment whereas songs are more about expressing something. There are also the witty or cartoon-y songs that are usually about parodying popular media or similar (they often have a message too, but sometimes it's less prominent). Writing a song gives you the chance to get everything you way you want it whereas a freestyle gives you limited time to come up with something and on an off day you just have to settle.

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BAF

Member #2,981

December 2002

Well, you can start with this. The whole song is pretty much off topic, as it's hard to figure out what the real topic of the whole thing is.

Also, this fits some point someone else said about cussing in rapping to make it sound bad or something. Too lazy to look back right now, but:

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Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell his records;
well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too!

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Vanneto

Member #8,643

May 2007

Common guys. Did you hear of the word "subjective"? Everyone has their own opinion on what they do and do not like. So arguing about this is plain idiotic.

But if you want, lets all say what artists we listen to. I assure you, I can pull all of them in the mud. But why? Why the fuck shit bitch would I do that?

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bamccaig

Member #7,536

July 2006

BAF said:

Well, you can start with [The Real Slim Shady]. The whole song is pretty much off topic, as it's hard to figure out what the real topic of the whole thing is.

This is one of those witty, cartoon-y songs whose message is a little bit less prominent. He's basically saying that of all the people (at the time) that were dying their hair like him, dressing like him, and cussing like him, that there's still really only one Slim Shady. Towards the end, he says "Guess there's a Slim Shady in all of us... Fuck it, let's all stand up." because Slim Shady himself is/was an alter ego of Eminem which I think we can all have inside of us at times.

I said:

There are also the witty or cartoon-y songs that are usually about parodying popular media or similar (they often have a message too, but sometimes it's less prominent).

Premise of The Real Slim Shady.

The lyrics themselves are a lot more about being witty with popular media references and parodying popular media. Eminem has said that My Name Is seemed sort of corny (I forget the exact word he used) to him, but it was a REALLY successful single. When he finished The Marshall Mathers LP (the album with The Real Slim Shady on it) there wasn't a lot of material for singles. It was all too hardcore and explicit. The label forced him to write more material, even though he was satisfied with the album. Who I Am was a result of this, but it was still too hardcore and they needed something less serious. I think they wanted another My Name Is, but Eminem knew he couldn't do that again. He started writing what became The Real Slim Shady, being his regular witty self and it became another major hit and the exact thing the record company was looking for. It felt the same as My Name Is had. He had found the formula. Similarly, Without Me, Just Lose It, and IMO Ass Like That also fit into this category of corny songs.

BAF said:

Also, this fits some point someone else said about cussing in rapping to make it sound bad or something.

Why would a rapper want to make his own song sound bad? :-/ Onewing said that rappers often use profanity in their songs purely to sell records.

In response to Onewing, I said:

I swear all the time and I know a lot of people that do too. Profanity can add to something if done right. It expresses something very effectively and there's no reason not to do it. D12/Eminem often say stuff like "yes, I'm swearing because I need to to sell records" or emphasize their use of profanity because people like you make claims that they do it to sell records... ::) They're essentially agreeing with you, sarcastically. You'll figure it out. ::)

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Andrei Ellman

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April 2003

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Onewing

Member #6,152

August 2005

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Onewing said that rappers often use profanity in their songs purely to sell records.

Just had to bring me back, did ya? I didn't say that (I don't think I did...?). I did however mention unnecessary profanity is part of a rap song. Keep in mind that I don't buy rap music, so I'm biased to what I hear mainstream, but the mainstream does usually have profanity in it. I'm assuming profanity is usually in the rest of the songs in the album. I'm not saying that they have to use it to sell, I'm just saying it's a safe bet that it's going to be there, hence why I put a BEEP in my mock rap song so it would fit the genre.

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Vanneto

Member #8,643

May 2007

Abraham Lincoln was ( supposedly ) a rapper. 8-)

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bamccaig

Member #7,536

July 2006

Onewing said:

Actually, I think BAF indirectly brought you back. Anyway, as I said earlier, profanity expresses something very effectively if done right so there's no reason not to use it. I don't think unnecessary is the right word for what you're trying to say because I don't get it...

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Thomas Fjellstrom

Member #476

June 2000

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Anyway, as I said earlier, profanity expresses something very effectively if done right so there's no reason not to use it.

Fuck you.

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Onewing

Member #6,152

August 2005

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Anyway, as I said earlier, profanity expresses something very effectively if done right

I don't think it's done right very often, but I'll do your argument for you, "you just don't listen to rap". And what I hear I think is crap (the majority of it). However, that example you posted of Eminem doing it works well. That example Thomas just posted does too.

[edit] The me not thinking it was done right is where the "unnecessary" comes from.

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piccolo

Member #3,163

January 2003

if you don't like rap you mite like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFnIJZyBhi0

wonder why none of this makes it to the head lines::)

EDit: i think the words are easy enough to learn its sung in a forbidden tung:o

2nds any one

how about and serving of snuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY6JDLmpuWc&feature=related

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axilmar

Member #1,204

April 2001

Another all-time great hip-hop song by one of the founders of hip-hop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTea5duGTbs&feature=related

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Erikster

Member #9,510

February 2008

I'll stick to Rock music, but if I had favorite rappers, here they are

3. Lead vocal from Faith No More (especially "Epic")
2. Vocals on Run DMC (loved the song "Bounce")
1. Eminem (Loved "Sing for the Moment" well done remix of "Dream On")

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axilmar

Member #1,204

April 2001

Here is the best wrapper of all universe:

http://feliscatus.ytmnd.com/

And the proof that rapping is connected to poetry...

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Matt Smith

Member #783

November 2000

Ooh, I forgot Goldie Looking Chain