So you throw out some of the cut pieces, and go and get new pieces from another puzzle. or worse, you just make you own.

Democracy has a lot to do with 'christian values'.

Sorry, no one is paying me anything, no job you see?
crazy? mad? I am not upset, I am blessed that you guys come at me with sticks and stones. Only because my Lord is God. Because Jesus Christ knows my name.

X-G, wow, it has been a long time sense I have seen you.

You do not know how true your words are.

I was busy re writing a program. Sorry I did not get back for your persecution yesterday.

God Bless you if you truly believe in God, and God's word.
Jesus Loves you and me.

If anything, Christianity resembles a dictatorship more than a democracy.

You told it yourself: that is your god, not mine. Stop boring me ! I feel alone, but I ensure you that that is really boring. Be neutral, specific, technic, joke, troll, but stop put god everywhere !

How could I have been so blinded! I now know the truth! He has finally enlightened me! Everything so clear now! So logical!

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you all! He has created us, and me! I now believe in Him! I was a fool before, but now, I am His meatball!

I had a dream in which He let me taste the Beer from the Beer Volcano and lick on His juicy meatball! I woke up... Changed forever by Him! I will never forget the taste and sight of His Heaven! That is the place I will go to if I will follow His commands!

Still, Capitalism !== Democracy. And its not the point, even if they had Democracy when Jesus was alive, it still existed long before he was born so Christians have nothing to do with Democracy.

But heck, if you would be enlightened, you would know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster invented Democracy!

No, not "rly" but really!

EDIT: I edited the post... So it was aimed at you!

Just thought I'd pipe in and wallow in the stupidity that is fundamentalist Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Pay close attention to the history part.

America's forefathers were not Christians. Most were atheist or agnostic( Jefferson being a prime example). Freedom of religion does not mean freedom to worship ONLY Christianity( which is what you posted), it means freedom to worship anything within safe limits.

Christianity is not a religion of love and peace, it is a religion of murder and suffering. The faults you find in Islam are paralleled in Christianity: God ordering the jews to kill every man, woman and child to reclaim Judea, opening the earth and swallowing all the non-believers in the Jewish camp, accepting rape so long as the man marries her afterwards, etc etc.

Before you open your disgusting mouth and spout your non-sensical religous bullshit, do some research on what you believe and see you cannot prove anything you say but much of what we say.

No, you don't, if those claims are the kind of stuff you're looking for. Those claims were written before science as we know it was defined. Or at the same time science was taking its first steps. It's not because God created the world in six days that my faith is what it is. It's not because Jesus was born of virgin Mary I'm a Christian. If it were, my faith would collapse. It has collapsed for many people. And it has never been there for many people. For that very same reason. I do believe in scientific facts, but putting my faith in it is another thing. I don't believe the scientific facts are there for me. Their purpose is not to make me a human with a meaning. They just are there. The scientific, materialistic viewpoint of world has very little to do with a religious view. Plato and Aristotle argued about ideas and matter, kind of. It's vaguely related to the discussion about religion and science.

Anyway, we all know no one will change his point of view on these things here on a.cc, but maybe someone will understand another better.

If you say so. Personally I know I would be BIG TIME PISSED OFF because of lots of things in my life (how my father died, how I suffer from some diseases that might ruin my life and carreer as a musician etc). Prayer helps me.

Which is how things like Atheists For Jesus get started. Taking to heart the entirely philosophical teachings is fine, but that's not really religion anymore than existentialism or deontology or consequentialism are religions, is it? The position of supernatural (and thus practically by definition science-defying) elements is what makes something a religion, as opposed to just a school of thought (and is also the reason why several strains of Buddhism are not always considered religions).

If you do not believe in the immaculate conception, virgin birth, or the resurrection, then you can't reasonably believe in a divine Jesus or the absolution of sin, and that's not Christianity as we know it. Those events have to have happened literally, or the fundamental aspect of Christianity, which is that God sent himself/his-only-son to absolve mankind's sin through his death, goes entirely out of the window. I'd go as far as call anyone who claims to be Christian and not believe that Jesus was God incarnate smugly dishonest at best and a liar at worst.

For what it's worth, do you realize that Catholics are the only mainstream denomination that teach the Immaculate Conception (at least from what I'm familiar with in the USA)? Protestants adamantly consider it heresy, teaching that Mary was a regular, sinful person. But almost every denomination teaches the virgin birth, as it's pretty hard not to if you consider the Bible to be basically without error.

But I don't really see why either is fundamental to the belief that Jesus was sinless. Surely Mary miraculously giving a virgin birth isn't the only method God has at his disposal for making sure Jesus started out sinless.

Now this I agree with, in respect to maintaining any sort of meaning to the word "Christian." It implies some sort of belief in God the supernatural and by extension of that, the belief in that Jesus was who he said he was.

If you only look at Jesus as a good man with good teachings, then I don't see how you can consider yourself part of any spiritual Christian church. I think then you just belong to a Jesus Club, and that's all well and good if it helps you be a better person.

But really we are just arguing semantics at this point. I think it is possible to throw out all of the supernatural and still agree with Jesus' teaching on how to live your life. I wouldn't call that being a "Christian," but if someone wants to use that label in that way, I don't care.