A lot of things are written. That doesn't make them true. It was either people or the Bible itself that told you that the writings in the Bible were true, that the Bible was the word of God, and that God exists. People lie. People write books. People write books of lies. As far as I know, there is no way known to man to prove that God exists.

Unfortunately, religious leaders know how to make it seem right to trust them and wrong to question them. They pressure you into believing and make you feel good about it; right for it. Unfortunately, that doesn't make them right. That doesn't make you right.

In truth, mankind does not know that God exists. We don't know if the Bible is true, nor do we know who wrote it. Some choose to believe (to have faith) what the Bible says (or what individual interpretations of the Bible say). Some are pressured into it. Some aren't afraid to question it. Some of us make our own decisions and think for ourselves. Some of us don't believe in God and we have very good reasons not to. Much better reasons than you could possible have to believe.

I'm not saying that you can't believe. I'm just saying that you can't truthfully state things as fact that you don't know to be fact. To say that the Bible is truth could very well be a lie. You don't know. To say that God exists could very well be a lie. You don't know. If you argue that you do know, that is almost certainly a lie.

I bet there's cake in Heaven.

_{Although, for the record, I'm not really a cake person.}

bamccaig:

It is written, that it is written. You can not break the scriptures. That is what you guys are trying to do, you haven't done it yet.
The scriptures are God's words, not mans. It is God's prophets that wrote the scriputures that are in the collection of the HolyBible.
Look at the books in the NewTestimant See there names? Do you think those books are about the people's name at the top?

What does man know? My understanding is as the height of myself, God's understanding is as the height of the Heavens.
You do not prove God, God proves you. God will prove himself to you. It will be God that shows you that he is, The Lord God Almigty.

There is hypocrites all over the world. There is many antichrist's in the world.

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
1 john 2:18 KJV of the Holy Bible.

And again.

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

God has showed me, that he exists. You are only talking about non believers, not the people that God has called to him.
God does not pressure you, God will not step on your will. God does not control your thinking, God does not force your dicisions. With God, you are Free,
And not a slave!

Jesus Came into the world so that man, could have life, and more abundatly. Sin makes you a slave to it. If you Sin, Sin will take control, and make your dicisions
Like being on crack cocain. Except Sin will bring you into enternal damnation. (Which is what sin wants)

You can not tell me, after everything I have been through. And the things I have suffered and been delivered from. That my God does not Exists. My God very well Exsits.
And he is for me, and because he is for me. No one can be against me. You do not know me, you do not know why I believe in God. Just because there is something you have never expirenced, or seen. Does not mean someone else has.

Jeff Benard:

God did not give me a spirit of confusion. But of Love, Power, and a Sound Mind.
To be decieved by your own coneits, that is not a sound mind.

What does that change? Explain how that makes any difference.

I can write a lie. I can then write that the lie is the truth. That doesn't make the lie true. It's just another lie.

Define break and scriptures.

So then how can you honestly claim to know that God exists?

If God did exist he would not be your God. He would be the God.

How Christian-like of you.

_{Disclaimer: I'm extremely tired.}

The problem with all the anti-religious here (and most everywhere) is that they are already closed minded and have been programmed (from the television, school, etc) to hate those who are religious. They have been programmed to mock it because it's the cool thing to do.

Someone else already said it and I think this really ends the discussion: while you cannot prove that God exists, you also cannot disprove it. Any debating on the topic is moot.

Pick the path which rests well in your mind. But don't force your religion (or lack of religion) on others. That goes for all of you. ("He started it!")

That's always been my opinion, anyways... at least for a while now.

The problem with chris27wjoyner is that his posts make little sense. He is giving a bad name to others who are religious and giving bait to the mockers: "the last guy who believed that was a complete doofus."

Please! If you want to spread the word, use sentences that make sense! Use proper grammar and check your spelling! Don't claim to be speaking in parables when your posts are irrelevant. Otherwise you are just inviting mockery upon yourself and your beliefs.

God is our judge , not us.

- chris27wjoyner -
How many people do you think you can get to trust God when you accuse them of being children of the devil?

Yes , there are children of the Devil , they are the Kenites , children of Cain. If they follow God , then they are children of God. Stop assuming you know everything.

Yes you are right, God is our judge. I have no right to Judge another's servant. And it is written that we are all equal before him. (I am also God's servant.)

What I stated came out of the Holy Bible.

Do not tell people what they want to hear to win their heart. Tell them what the truth is. It is the truth that sets a man free. And you are correct, I do not know everything, I know very very very little. To be wise, is to know how little you do know.

It also says, That the beginning of Wisdom, is the fear of the Lord.
And to gain understanding, is to step away from sin.

Again with the speaking in riddles. What you mean is that your belief is that we are all going to Hell because of the way we think. If I were to take this quote at face value I would assume that you warn everyone who smokes that it could kill them eventually, everybody who eats fast food that if they eat nothing but that for a month they will die, and everyone who uses Sweet and Low that according to the state of California it causes cancer.

Just come out and say what you think. Don't hide in riddles.

Out of context scripture is lying. Or are you saying that you are God?

Which is completely besides the point, unless you are claiming to be God!

So let me get this straight: the reason your grammar looks bad to me is because you have just personally damned me? Are you telling me that you are God?

How old are you?
What denomination do you belong to?
Does your church have a website?

I am interested in how someone could be as confused as you. I do not wish to publicly deride you, but you are inviting it on yourself.

He was poking fun at your miss-use of a word.

'Worn' can either mean overused or be used as the past participle of the verb to wear.
The word you were looking for was 'warn'.

That you Sir, I understand that it can be very hard to read sentiences. When the wrong words are used, and the correct words are misspelled.

I am learning everyday. I think it is because I pronounce words differently than they would read.

When I read 'Worn' I read what I speak, when I read 'warn', I find a knew way of pronouncing. Reading is easier for me than writing.

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It is discernment, not judging.

It says, "Who are you to judge another's servant.". Besides the scripture that says, "judge not lest you be judged.".

You are correct.

Ask your questions about it. I am not a mind reader. I do not know when you understand, and do not understand.

I am also Christian. I personally am not trying to talk him down or discourage or artiest-ify him or anything, just trying to keep the thread degeneration to a minimum.

I'm surprised we haven't heard from some our most prevalent anti-social anti-Gentoo threadcrapper yet.

Onewing's level of sociological understanding surprises me every time. This man is pretty powerful

If you're referring to Pentecost, then it's only miraculous that the apostles were able to speak in real, foreign languages that the respective people could understand.

If you're referring to the general gibberish of speaking random words, then anyone can do that. All you have to do is be given to emotions or alcohol. It has been written that the pagans at Corinth did it in the 1st century. That's probably where the Christian church there got the idea.

Regarding the verses you quoted, it is written just after them that:

So they confirmed what he spoke to them. He didn't tell me or you that, so we don't have to confirm anything. It's already been done.