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Who do you want as the next President of the USA?
Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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approximately 80% of the tax is paid by the top 25% of people. [Source: my memory.] So they still do pay a disproportionate amount of taxes.

I remember our economics professor in community college telling us how General Electric corporation and some other giant I can't remember the name of didn't have to pay any taxes sometime in the early '80's. However, since the corporations were owned by shareholders (who got taxed on the same profits) it was actually "fair" assuming taxation is fair in the first place.

If no minimum wage enables people to buy a $0.50 hamburger at the cost of other people having to work for $2.00 an hour, then requiring a minimum wage of $7.00 an hour means that the people who would have worked for $2.00 an hour didn't get a job at all. I think most of the minimum wage people are unmotivated as well as unskilled.

I'm about to give up on McDonald's entirely, they mess something up %80 of the time, whether it's 15 minutes to get through the line with 3 cars ahead of you, to not providing a fork for pancakes, or some item is rock-hard dried out, on and on and on. They have two speakers so two cars can order at once, yet I've never seen the second speaker used, they "shut down for computer maintainance" maybe 2 - 3 times a night yet don't turn the golden arches off, they always say the chocolate shake machine is down at night even though it's on the late night menu. I'd be far better off to go to an all night diner (and I'm going to do that, just get the food to go),

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

nonnus29
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August 2002
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I'd be far better off to go to an all night diner (and I'm going to do that, just get the food to go),

You go boyeeeeee.

So from that I take it that Ronald McDonald will not get Arthurs vote for president.

:P

Edit; sorry that rant was just so surreal in the middle of a thread about the US presidential election...

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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We need a dead president. I would have posted the youtube link, but the video has since been removed and that is the only place I could find the video after several minutes of googling.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Honestly I don't see how Clinton can win the election. That is scary, because it gives the Republicans a free pass. But Obama has been gaining on Clinton. But it's possible that they will knock each other out and a guy like Edwards will win it.

Huckabee is starting to be considered the leading Republican candidate. It's kind of funny now to see all the anti-Huckabee news articles (especially on places like Digg). But I think if Paul supporters show up in big numbers at primaries, he could make a strong push to being a front runner. Look at the straw polls... if everybody who has donated money to Paul's campaign votes, it could be interesting.

Ariesnl
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November 2002
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I hope it will be someone smart ;)

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BAF
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December 2002
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All the liberals down in NY City and similar groups will vote for her. I will seriously consider leaving the country if she is elected. :-/

Ariesnl
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November 2002
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I don't see what's wrong with Hillary but I don't see what's wrong with Obama eighter

But that is based on what we (in the Netherlands) see of them

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Archon
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January 2004
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I hope it will be someone smart ;)

Not just smart... ethical too.

Ethical is probably the higher priority anyway.

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I will seriously consider leaving the country if she is elected. :-/

Honestly?

ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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I'd do Hillary if she was elected.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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That's what someone said about Bill too.

ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Does that mean I'll have a shot? I'd better register to vote...

nonnus29
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August 2002
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If I were an intern and I walked into the oval office and Hillary was holding a cigar with a special gleam in her eye, I think I would turn around and walk out.

That's just me though.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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I don't see what's wrong with Hillary

In a nutshell (how apt is that?) she thinks BIG GOVERNMENT IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING! zomg!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Bob Keane
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June 2006

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If I were an intern and I walked into the oval office and Hillary was holding a cigar with a special gleam in her eye, I think I would turn around and walk out.

That's just me though.

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Arvidsson
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May 2004
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You'd better use two paper bags, just to be on the safe side.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Paul raised another $6 million on Sunday, which breaks the record for a single day of donations (previous was $5.7 million by Kerry after he already had won the Democratic nominee). His Q4 total will probably be over $20 million, which likely will be more than any other candidate. The "main stream media" must be in shock over his numbers, considering they always have attributed his online popularity to a handful of blog spammers.

I think if he can take third place in Iowa behind Huckabee and Romney, he'll be in good shape to be considered seriously. Paul will benefit from being the most different from the rest of the candidates, but it will be hard for him (and others) to get past Huckabee's automatic vote from the evangelicals.

Ariesnl
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November 2002
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If I were an intern and I walked into the oval office and Hillary was holding a cigar with a special gleam in her eye, I think I would turn around and walk out.


I would laugh my ass off ;D

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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I read Ron's webpage and I think I like most of his stance. The only thing we seem to disagree on is abortion but thats not such a huge deal for me either way.

I do wonder what ideas he has between the lines however...

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I don't think there's much to read between the lines. He's won ten terms as a Republican congressman and his voting record is well established. Like I said earlier, even if you disagree with his minimalistic government, there's not much to worry about. The only two things he really has direct control of is downsizing the military (bringing them home) and vetoing any spending bill.

Everything else would require the support of Congress. Of course, the President often is very influential (if he is popular), so some of his ideas may go through. But it would be impossible for him to single-handedly change the entire way the government is run.

For the most part, I like states rights over federal rights. However, I agree that abortion is a different thing. It would be silly for some states to ban it, and others not to. You'd end up with people traveling just to get an abortion. I think it's one place where a federal law makes more sense.

And despite that I'm totally against abortion and view it no differently from killing your newborn child, I recognize that nations should be run by the morality of the whole. There are enough people who are in favor of it that it will continue to go on regardless of its legal status. I think a better approach to an all-out ban is to compromise, to more heavily promote birth control, and to make adoption easier.

I think his position to get rid of income tax and replace it with nothing is the most intriguing of all his views. It can be done if the government stops wasting money on ridiculous projects (e.g., wars). It's been estimated that 50% of the government spending is on the military (due to direct money spent along with accumulated interest). Considering the IRS is probably the most hated organization by USA citizens, I'd think Paul would be doing better in the polls...

ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Rid of income tax? I didn't find that on his webpage...

Thats legit! I'd totally vote for him than.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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One of Paul's favorite lines is that spending has increased more over the last ten years than the total sum brought in by income tax. So if you can reduce spending to where it was ten years ago, you could eliminate income tax and be in the same boat we are now.

But obviously before the IRS can go away, the federal government needs to drastically reduce spending. So I don't think Paul expects to actually get rid of them any time soon. He's also against the Federal Reserve operating as they currently do.

Huckabee also wants to get rid of income tax, but he wants to replace it with a federal sales tax.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I'd support federal sales tax. Then taxing is fair, you get taxed on what you spend, and less mess and hassle sorting stuff out.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I read somewhere that when they established income tax (a temporary measure to help finance World War I) that some worrywart wanted a %15 cap so it wouldn't get out of control. They nearly laughed him off the floor for such a silly idea. It'd never get that high!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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I don't consider myself an informed voter, no do I typically get interested in politics. If I did, this thread would probably be critical in determining the way I voted.

Phipps: I have to commend you for your magical skill of creating very active threads.

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