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A moral dilemma
Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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bamccaig, I'm asking what you think. I'm not asking for a research project. Most of that stuff that you linked to has nothing to do with this situation.

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Michael Jensen
Member #2,870
October 2002
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I think most americans feel the same way about what the dating laws/cheating are in normal relationships.

The basic concept here is that you don't just go around fucking other people without permission, especially not if it's someone who hates your girlfriend.

Being on the other side of the wheel, I think that if someone cheats on you, you should be able to be as unreasonable as you want if that person wants to continue the relationship and that it's not unreasonable per say...

Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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As I said before, it isn't her in the relationship. She hasn't entered into any kind of "implied contract of love" or anything like that. So it really isn't her problem if M cheats on W. In what way do you think she is equally guilty?

By that logic I can run off with someone's car without permission as long as I bring it back before they need it.

Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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Neil Black, your analogy seems to assume that W owns M.

Michael Jensen, I'm not sure if you are talking to me or not. I'll reply just in case. What you are saying seems fair enough to me, but it doesn't say anything about whether or not H has done something wrong. It seems to me that M and W had some kind of agreement that they were not going to be with other people. M broke that agreement, and he is sorry about that. W can basically impose whatever consequences she likes on M, but she should remember that her relationship is at stake as well as his. H was not part of any such agreement and so she hasn't really done anything wrong. The problem is between M and W. W should not be demanding anything of H.

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ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Clearly the solution is H and M have an affair. Eye for an eye you know? Then everyone can forget anything happened and move on.

On a side note,

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The least he should be doing in this situation is begging on his knees for forgiveness.

This quote sickens me.

23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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This quote sickens me.

Yeah, he has no chance. She should just divorce his loser ass. /sarcasm

You sicken easily. :)

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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You sicken easily. :)

Its the ideology behind the phrase that sickens me. It is a very rampant one.

23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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Its the ideology behind the phrase that sickens me. It is a very rampant one.

You'll have to spell it out for me, since no one could blame her for walking out on him for it. The least he could do is get his knees a little dusty; not like she has to forgive him (most women wouldn't).

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Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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Karadoc:

So you say there's nothing wrong with sleeping with a person who's in a serious relationship? Can I sleep with your girlfriend? Oh wait, you won't be mad at me if I do, because I've done nothing wrong.

Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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Neil Black, for a start, my relationship with my girlfriend is none of your business. So if you want to continue to talk about this, keep it with M and W.
More to the point, if I was M (and in an exclusive relationship with W) you don't need my permission to slept with W. It is W who needs my permission to sleep with you! Do you not see this?
If I W breaks her promises to me, it makes sense for me to be upset with W. It does not make sense for me to be upset with some other guy who has nothing to do with me.

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Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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Karadoc:
The you'd have no reason to be mad at me. But you did seem to get a little upset when I put you in the position of W.

piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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[piccolo]
M |W| =w*H^2
[/piccolo]

J/K

M should be carefully H probably did it because M is with W he mite wine up with zero

on the other hand

W should stay with M until she finds another M and always use rubbers

H has her own issues this is her way of dealing with them

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Multiple partners in one night? That's disgusting.

this is the affect of some type of drug and most likely leads to STDs

edit: people cheat because they are afraid of being lonely so they look for back up mates

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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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What about rapping? Surely if M freestyle raps to W, then it will all be okay? Or maybe H should rap to W?

Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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Neil Black said:

Karadoc:
The you'd have no reason to be mad at me. But you did seem to get a little upset when I put you in the position of W.

Dude, you have no idea. I'll say again: don't try to bring my personal life into this. That's just rude. I stand by what I have said. There is no reason for you to be passing judgements about me or my girlfriend.

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Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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I'm not passing judgements. I'm just saying that you need to look at it from the perspectives of the people involved, namely M, W, and H. If I've hit on a sensitive spot with my example I'm sorry.

Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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It's not that it is a sensitive spot. I've been living with my girlfriend for more than four years, and we have never fought about any of these sorts of topics.
I just find it rude and unnecessary to bring my personal life into this discussion. So I prefer to keep things general or hypothetical. That's all.

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Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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I was just trying to show you what things looked like from W's perspective. Looking at it from you point of view (i.e. saying it happened to you) is just a way to get you to see it from W's perspective. I didn't mean to actually say "your girlfriend" and I didn't even know you have a girlfriend. It was just a way to make you look at this from another angle. Again, I'm sorry for any offense.

piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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I've been living with my girlfriend for more than four years

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Karadoc ~~ said:

Neil Black, for a start, my relationship with my girlfriend is none of your business. So if you want to continue to talk about this, keep it with M and W.

Whoa, whoa! Neil Black and yourself don't have an agreement with each other for him to not discuss your girlfriend does he? Then I guess with your logic he can discuss your girlfriend all he wants!

BAF said:

What about rapping? Surely if M freestyle raps to W, then it will all be okay? Or maybe H should rap to W?

I've gotta disagree with your logic... Eminem rapped to his wife on almost every album and it just kept getting more and more fucked up between them.* ;)

Karadoc ~~ said:

I just find it rude and unnecessary to bring my personal life into this discussion. So I prefer to keep things general or hypothetical. That's all.

Neil Black was speaking hypothetically about your girlfriend. That's all.

Neil Black said:

Again, I'm sorry for any offense.

Why are you sorry? All you did was reference his hypothetical girlfriend. :) Meanwhile, he's arguing that <math>W</math> has no right to be upset with <math>H</math> for FUCKING her boyfriend! So by his standards what right does he have to be upset with you for REFERENCING his hypothetical girlfriend? ::)

* See '97 Bonnie and Clyde, Kim, [Soldier], I Love You More, Crazy In Love, [When I'm Gone], [Hey Lady (Obie Trice feat. Eminem)], among others. (Those in square brackets aren't really focussed around her though)

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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bam-k-k-kaig said:

Eminem rapped to his wife on almost every album and it just kept getting more and more fucked up between them.

piccolo said:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

so if freestyle rapping doesn't work then imitate a bat?

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Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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bamccaig, rack off. Or perhaps you'd like me to start speaking "hypothetically" about your girlfriend being a hoe? I've said that enough is enough. I think that Neil now sees where I am coming from, and he has kindly agreed to respect my wishes on this issue. I don't need you jumping in to fill the gap. Don't make it personal.

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Don Freeman
Member #5,110
October 2004
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Does H have a M?
If so, M might be in an even worse position!

On a side note, does anyone else find it amusing that it was defined as:
M:Man ok, good
W:Woman ok, got that
H:Man's friend Well...I can only imagine what the "H" is for ::)

And as to rapping to anyone, I would imagine that W would rap this to M and H! :) Even though they are better to look at!::)

"Hey, M...what does W say about H's hoe level?!?"
"It's over 9000!" ;D

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Karadoc is funny.

23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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H is not the one in the relationship, and she isn't even friends with W, so it's not really her problem that M cheated on W. I don't think she needs to apologise.

You don't apologize for having a problem. You apologize for being at fault (which she half is). The fact you're getting mad when you get put in the position of W is proof enough; H did something very wrong. I agree that W's main concern is M, but that doesn't mean H should be ignored. I guess the only reason this is coming up though is because of ...

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W finally cracks and decides that M and H can be friends only if H apologizes for what she did with her man.

... which is bloody stupid of W, frankly. Exactly what was this "cheating"? Making out on a couch?

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