Well, I missed that. But still, there's naught to be done here but echo everyone else and make lame jokes, and that's gotten old. Every time there's a thread like this, it's just the same routine of looking up the most black and white, socially-acceptable, politically-correct answer, then add joke. What's the point of a forum if you can't consider everything?

And how is my theoretical testing how much this effects their relationship any more against the OP than everyone judging M when it says explicitly "I'm not looking for judgement"?

Agreed. An opinion on a moral situation like this is essentially a judgment.

And furthermore, it's not like we are judging the man to hell. We are just giving our opinion on what the man and girlfriend should do.

excuse me? I've cheated on no one; Though the question is not as hypothetical as I claim it is, it still stands that I am NOT this M/bob person. Though, I had a feeling people would think it was me for asking the question, I had half a mind not to do it.

I think so too. I dunno why W should even be bothered with giving M a second chance.

Actually, I more or less wanted to know if people thought that W was being ridiculous or justified. And I see that my initial reaction is shared among the local allegators.

Quit with the HMW initials! (HeliuM Wheatley?)

But it's so much easier to say "you" than some random letters!

Yeah, we've found someone dumber than John.

Because cheating is wrong and he couldn't live with the guilt of having cheated on W?

It means a leopard can't change it's spots, a saying that means someone can't change their own nature. In other words, M is a cheater and always will be. In general it's not a saying I agree with.

If you ask me, it sounds like both W and H are stubborn and stuck up b - people.
H is not the one in the relationship, and she isn't even friends with W, so it's not really her problem that M cheated on W. I don't think she needs to apologise. It was certainly in her power to stop M from doing something that he perhaps should not have done, but it is not her fault. But on the other hand, she doesn't lose anything from apologising. It would make all three of them more comfortable if she just apologised.
On the other other hand, it's a bit rude of W to be demanding an apology from H, and for she to tie H's response in with what she will allow M to do is a bit overbearing.

In short, either H should apologise or W should just back off. These things are only a big deal if one makes them a big deal. "Cheating" can only damage a relationship if someone won't let it go.

M, W, and H were all happy before this happened. That doesn't need to change.

You should switch the names around. M should be H, and H should be M (M for Moron). The man is the real hoe in this story. Multiple partners in one night? That's disgusting.

As I said before, it isn't her in the relationship. She hasn't entered into any kind of "implied contract of love" or anything like that. So it really isn't her problem if M cheats on W. In what way do you think she is equally guilty?

wrong again, but the possibilities are narrowing. Though W is very fucking hott.

Who says M had to be hard? There are all kinds of sex. Maybe it was M's first time being at that kind of party or being drunk? -- Maybe H should have been watching out for him...

As for Karadoc: It's not about H owing W an apology, it's about how W shouldn't even have to forgive M in the first place, and H should not be a part of M's life if the relationship continues. But M and H are close and stupid and don't want to break up so W says "fine, if H can promise that she won't let it happen again and quit being such a bitch to me, maybe she can stick around, otherwise: no."

I dunno, it seems like the only way to argue M/H's case is to miss the point...

edit: and also, I personally think H is equally guilty because she knew M and W were dating, it wasn't like H was raped or anything -- if she's not sorry for sleeping with W's man, then she shouldn't be able to be M's friend if M wants to date W.

Who in their right mind would date a man who kept friends around with him that would sleep with him without even caring about how his girlfriend felt?

then? I hope it's not ...

What do you mean by shouldn't have to forgive M? Are you implying that M isn't at fault or that W doesn't have to forgive him for it? I disagree with the first and agree with the second.

Cheating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia#Personal relationships.

As she should.

Seriously. Once you cross that line once it's easier to cross it the next time. W is smart in insisting the M no longer associate with H, but it's really a futile effort. I agree with "once a cheater always a cheater" as well.