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Why C++ sucks: Not Flame Bait |
nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote: YOU are full of bullshit. C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot So, a benefit of C is to discourage C++ programmers from contributing. The exchange continues for awhile, I don't think the Dmitry guy knows who he's talking to. It's pure comedy. And then Walter Bright steps in and starts talking about D. Linus declines to comment on D; maybe some political reasons behind his silence? Your guess is as good as mine..... |
ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Quite frankly, even if Couldn't this same feat be achieved by filtering patches? [code Linus] I like the way he worded this. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Linus just likes to shoot his mouth off Hes rather blunt and unadulterated. -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Linus also said about Linux: "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." What he says is irrelevant. Being the founder of Linux doesn't automatically make you a genius at anything. |
ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Quote: Being the founder of Linux doesn't automatically make you a genius at anything. And yet everyone gets the inherit feeling it does. I wonder what causes emotions of this kind in people. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Quote: Linus declines to comment on D; maybe some political reasons behind his silence? Your guess is as good as mine... I would guess that he is simply much more comfortable with C and basically feels threatened if anything were ever to go to C++ (or another language) because it would be a sign that his power as the Supreme Nerd is waning. (Okay, so I'm not really serious.) All he can do is shoot down C++ by saying that C++ programmers are bad, and so they should use C to prevent bad programmers from contributing code. That is an incredibly pathetic excuse, yet he thinks it's a great reason. I think it just shows that he really had no interest in defending C, but just wanted to flame a guy and an entire group of programmers (C++) to make himself feel better about himself. That's a sort of mental disorder that he could get medicine to treat. I do agree that C++ is a bad language, but he should have either given real reasons or just not said anything. Later on he says something I agree with (minus the dramatic "absolute worst") and think is better said: Quote:
And if you want a fancier language, C++ is absolutely the worst one to
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Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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Honestly, I'm feeling the same way about C++. I'm about ready to pack up and move to C# or Java. Maybe Python, that seems to be popular in the indie scene, even among the more professional ones. --- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Use D! |
Archon
Member #4,195
January 2004
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I'm a substandard programmer? I wouldn't mind a C# that compiles to machine code and that can also link to C/C++ libraries. Quote: Use D! For me, the choice of language also depends mostly on the IDE. There are no nice and working D IDEs that I know of (I tried Code::Blocks a while ago, but.. eugh) |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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I still enjoy C/C++, but C# and D are also appealing. I think I'd like to give Java another try (hopefully I learn the right way this time), but I'm not holding my breath. IIRC, Python is [one of] the language[s] where whitespace is a language construct... No thanks. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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alternate reality said:
And if you want a fancier language, C is absolutely the worst one to It still sounds like rubbish to me. I agree C++ isn't a good high level language but you don't have to use all its esoteric features. If you only use it as a C with objects/polymorphism langauge then I would say that is far better than just plain C. Objects are useful 99% of the time and a language that supports them directly is infinitely better than one that doesn't. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Quote: I wouldn't mind a C# that compiles to machine code and that can also link to C/C++ libraries. That's D. [Actually it cannot link to a C++ library directly, but hardly anything can.] Quote: If you only use it as a C with objects/polymorphism langauge then I would say that is far better than just plain C. Objects are useful 99% of the time and a language that supports them directly is infinitely better than one that doesn't. Again, D does a much better job at "extending" C than C++ does. |
Archon
Member #4,195
January 2004
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Quote: That's D. I edited my post above, but anyway: IDEs are important because it helps with the organisation of all the files and the classes. If KDevelop supports D in the future, I'd likely use it (D). |
Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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Quote: Linus declines to comment on D; Probably because he doesn't know a thing about it. T3h interweb is funny sometimes, in allegro D is king and on digg ron paul is president.. not to mention that on reddit haskell is the way of the future. I can see Linus point about C. From a systems point of view it's a really good language. Your mindframe and design patterns stay sane as well. It may be a pain to work with from time to time, but at others nothing else can be more elegant. Being a systems guy, i can really appreciate C. If you're really good at c then more power to you. ------------- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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D is great "on a.cc" because most of what we do (when making video games) has no need to interface with a huge standard library of code. It's less great in the real world because C++ beat it to the punch and has already filled the niche of extending C. And D doesn't have any huge company to sponsor it (and brainwash people into using it ). |
le_y_mistar
Member #8,251
January 2007
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personally, i wish Linus would shut his mouth, he says a lot of silly stuff and people take his words like gospel. ----------------- |
nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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Quote: It still sounds like rubbish to me. I agree C++ isn't a good high level language but you don't have to use all its esoteric features. If you only use it as a C with objects/polymorphism langauge then I would say that is far better than just plain C. Objects are useful 99% of the time and a language that supports them directly is infinitely better than one that doesn't. In the thread they talk about this; it comes down to compiling C with the C++ compiler. At one time they tried to make the kernel compilable with both gcc and g++. Apparently it was extremely unpleasant. Even if the code is mostly C with a little C++, C++ compilers will perform funny business behind the scenes. I don't remember which post it was though.... |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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That post says nothing about why C++ sucks, just shows a lot about why Linus sucks. The same could be said about C++, the choice of using C++ is to keep the C programmers out, and it works well. |
Sirocco
Member #88
April 2000
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Too many people take object oriented programming to a near obsessive-compulsive extreme and make things more complicated than they need to be. OOP is a tool like any other and should be utilized when beneficial and only to the extent needed. --> |
Rash
Member #2,374
May 2002
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nonnus29 said: I don't think the Dmitry guy knows who he's talking to. You're joking, right? Is Linus supposed to be some sort of royalty to be addressed reverentially? |
Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001
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Just laugh at it. What we need is: "Hello, I'm C." Someone write some good scripts and I promise I can vrecord it. As long as the jokes are on C, not C++ Ok, jokes on anyone. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest. |
ixilom
Member #7,167
April 2006
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If C suits you, use it and stfu about C++. Linux is better than windows ! Blah I'm tired of hearing people bash languages/OSs/mp3players/etc, use what suits YOU and STFU. Don't advocate like a mormon why your choice is better and why everybody who doesn't agree is using something futile. I use C++, I don't need java, I don't need D, I don't need XYZ, thats why I STFU and simply use C++ as it suits me. Ok, end of rant. ___________________________________________ |
Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007
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You are all not better than Linus... If you want to be better than him, follow the suggestion of ixilom. He has a good point. In capitalist America bank robs you. |
nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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Rash said: You're joking, right? Is Linus supposed to be some sort of royalty to be addressed reverentially? Yes, as an American I feel that royalty has long had a bad rap and welcome the day the (your?) f*cking Queen re-asserts dominion over Her former Colonies. To clarify, git is Linus' baby. Only a STFU-newb would go on it's mailing list and propose it be re-implemented in C++. |
Billybob
Member #3,136
January 2003
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C: "Hi, I'm C!"
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