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Evolution dissproved!!1one |
Rampage
Member #3,035
December 2002
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Let's test the argument: We know that god can create complete and complex living beings at will. We know that god will answer all prayers done with true faith. I don't believe in god, but I asked a religious person to pray all day and all night until a rabbit is created out of thin air. So far the experiment has failed to produce a single rabbit hair, but I'll report of any changes. -R |
Matt Weir
Member #7,476
July 2006
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Actually your all just figments of my imagination. That or I'm just a figment of your imagination.... |
FMC
Member #4,431
March 2004
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Quote: Actually your all just figments of my imagination. That or I'm just a figment of your imagination.... You just robbed me of my line! Go away figment of my imagination! [FMC Studios] - [Caries Field] - [Ctris] - [Pman] - [Chess for allegroites] |
GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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Does someone there have read Bernard Werber ? He is writting some nice books about god. "Code is like shit - it only smells if it is not yours" |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: The fact that it can't be proved nor disproved makes it not a valid scientific theory.
I dunno; I get told pretty repeatedly that He's not real in absolutely no uncertain terms on a fairly regular basis around here. Must have been disproven somewhere along the line. -- |
HardTranceFan
Member #7,317
June 2006
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The "Kick That Monsters Ass" [sic] video is quite funny. -- |
Rampage
Member #3,035
December 2002
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I meant that the existence of a god can not be used as basis for any scientific theory or research. Therefore it's clear that the existence of a god is irrelevant to the scientific understanding of our world. -R |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: I meant that the existence of a god can not be used as basis for any scientific theory or research. Therefore it's clear that the existence of a god is irrelevant to the scientific understanding of our world. Well, that much is true ... -- |
mEmO
Member #1,124
March 2001
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Quote: I meant that the existence of a god can not be used as basis for any scientific theory or research. Therefore it's clear that the existence of a god is irrelevant to the scientific understanding of our world. I would have to say that greatly depends on how you define "our world"... --------------------------------------------- |
Rampage
Member #3,035
December 2002
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No, it depends on the part where I wrote "scientific understanding". -R |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peanut butter. I'm allergic to peanut butter.. What kind of philosophical truth is God trying to tell me!?!?!?!?! In all fairness, maybe there is new life in the peanut butter. A single cell that is 'alive', but you obviously can't see it without extremely powerful optical equipment. I'm not suggesting that there is. I'm suggesting that if there was that guy wouldn't have a clue. Evolution is scientific fact and if you disagree with that than you're just another puppet. Is it a coincidence that religious people are mindless and ignorant or is that God's way of fooling the rest of us? (It's just not the same without emoticons, is it?) -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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The experiment in the video was set up and cannot be trusted. If you notice, the peanut butter was already opened. So he obviously peeked inside before shooting the video to make sure there was no life inside. I'd be interested to see the results of the video without the planted jar. |
Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Quote: you obviously can't see it without extremely powerful optical equipment. I guess he's expecting a fully evolved society in there or something. -- |
Rampage
Member #3,035
December 2002
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Quote: In all fairness, maybe there is new life in the peanut butter.
Quote: I'd be interested to see the results of the video without the planted jar. I don't know... maybe that particular brand of peanut butter contains preservatives? Those can kill most yeasts, bacteria, and fungi. Any living cell would be dead before it could evolve into a dinosaur. -R |
ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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I for one embrace our new peanut butter overlords! |
Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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bamccaig said: Evolution is scientific fact No, it's a scientific theory. It can be disproven, just like the rest of science. That's why science progresses and faith leaves you throwing rocks at your neighbor. 23yrold3yrold said:
I dunno; I get told pretty repeatedly that He's not real in absolutely no uncertain terms on a fairly regular basis around here. Must have been disproven somewhere along the line. The Christian God can be disproven by its own logic (or so I've heard). The idea of any God existing is analogous to Russell's Teapot -- nonexistent until proven to exist. Edit: "Nonexistent until proven to exist" is the basis of weak atheism, which is my particular philosophical affiliation. --- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Kibiz0r said: No, it's a scientific theory. It can be disproven, just like the rest of science. That's why science progresses and faith leaves you throwing rocks at your neighbor. It's never really been dis proven; only disputed. Instead of proving the existence of God, contradictions usually target proofs used to support evolution and try to discredit those: usually failing, but wording it well enough for religious believers to accept evolution as an impossibility. Something can only be dis proven if it's wrong. Without knowing for a fact that evolution isn't the answer you can't actually say that it can be dis proven. And though science is open to the right answer and that's how it progresses (through a sort of evolution, if you will), that doesn't mean it can be dis proven either. Mistakes are corrected to the best of our knowledge. Science is really just the best answers and explanations, which are considered laws or facts until they no longer work: and then the model is revised. Though religious believers and supports are closed-minded to anything contradicting their beliefs, faith is still very dis provable. In fact, arguably (or not) more dis provable than science because it's based on little or no fact: only faith. "Since publication of The Origin of Species in 1859, the profound social, philosophical, and religious implications of evolution have led to nearly constant controversy, despite nearly universal acceptance of evolution by biologists and other scientists." - Source Who do you think is more qualified to explain the creation of the universe? The most intelligent men/women on our planet or often lowly-educated, closed-minded religious believers. Christian churches don't even believe in the same thing! They interpret the Bible THEIR way and live their lives as they please: justifying their actions with God. Some are so controlled by religion that they alter their use of language protocol to follow their church. For example, capitalizing you, he, him, etc., whenever they are related to God or Jesus Christ. That's not correct grammar in English so to do it is just stupid. And most people don't know why they do it: they're literally just following. I fell in love with a religious girl and I can tell you nothing has ever frustrated me more in my life than arguing with her: logic didn't matter and she was right even when she admitted to being wrong. Apparently that's Christian logic. A bit like that card game the kid invents in Big Daddy, huh? "Why do you win, I had a hand just like that, I didn't win..." I may have been a little quick to call evolution a fact, but until somebody comes up with an actual disproof of evolution I'll remain 99.9% confident that it's fact. It makes logical sense and is by far the best explanation theorized to date. I remember watching a show a few years back about two deep sea fish species that are in an arms race: predator vs. prey. Apparently they are adapting modifications very rapidly to counter the other's abilities, and it's becoming a tug-of-war, so to speak. I can't remember the details so maybe I misinterpreted it, but I don't think I did. Anyway, it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and see that there are definite patterns in plant and animal species. Another great example of evolution is viruses. I think evolution will remain debatable for a very long time. And yet, you can debate gravity if you want to. You'll just lose. Kibiz0r said: The Christian God can be disproven by its own logic (or so I've heard). The root of most Christian arguments I have taken part in (and I'm usually enthused to challenge their beliefs so I've had a few) seems to always be that "God has to exist because the universe had to come from somewhere: it couldn't always exist." I think this is a prime example of how Christians are not logical people and might explain why more women tend to be religious (see this thread). By that logic God can't have always existed and it results in an infinite chain of creators, resulting in an infinity, and thereby disproving itself. Anybody that actually analyzes religion quickly realizes that there is absolutely no truth to it. And those that don't are merely puppets of propaganda, afraid to be open minded, and thereby trapped in a senseless belief system. Discussing religion is as frustrating as discussing women. There's obviously a problem, but there's nothing sensible you can do about it. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: The Christian God can be disproven by its own logic (or so I've heard).
Definitely. Yuri Gagarin (first man in space) supposedly claims to have disproven God because he had been up in orbit and saw no sign of Him. Quote: Evolution is scientific fact and if you disagree with that than you're just another puppet.
I used to believe in Evolution as scientific fact. Ironically, I stopped because I recognized I was being a puppet. Quote: The root of most Christian arguments I have taken part in ... seems to always be that "God has to exist because the universe had to come from somewhere: it couldn't always exist." You know some awfully stupid people. Quote: I think this is a prime example of how Christians are not logic people I think you mean "the Christians I've met" there. I'd hate to be lumped in with them. Quote: Anybody that actually analyzes religion quickly realized that there is absolutely no truth to it. And those that don't are merely puppets of propaganda, afraid to be open minded, and thereby trapped in a senseless belief system. 'Anybody' is a big word. Careful about being "afraid to be open minded" yourself there; generalizations are never good. Back on topic, I haven't bothered watching the movie, but I'm sure it's hilarious. -- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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23yrold3yrold said: Careful about being "afraid to be open minded" yourself there; generalizations are never good. I'm open-minded. If science discovered that God was the right answer and dis proved evolution I would definitely consider it. I've also given Christianity a number of chances: was raised Christian until I was old enough to think for myself, had a number of Christian friends in high school so I went to youth groups and such with them, and I was in love with a girl that believed so I was willing to give it a chance over and over again for her... I don't support evolution because scientists told me so. I support it because it makes the best sense thus far. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: I'm open-minded. If science discovered that God was the right answer and dis proved evolution I would definitely consider it.
The first is impossible for right or wrong anyway, and the second is unrelated. -- |
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