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HardTranceFan
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June 2006
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Sounds like the voice recognition part might have a bit of a hole.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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That's funny... I should attach a little voice clip to every page here for Vista users: "DELETE STAR DOT STAR". ;D

23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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The firm has pointed out that in order for the flaw to be exploited the speech recognition feature would need to be activated and configured and both microphone and speakers would have to be switched on.

Oh, well, if it's that far-fetched a scenario, then no need to worry. ::)

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Some Vista users have already tested the exploit and were able to delete files and empty the trash can so that the documents were not retrievable.

Yeah, I'll be installing this right away. ::)

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Derezo
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April 2001
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That actually sounds really cool -- I would only use it with a headset, and this should be a security policy that Microsoft should make very apparent to the end user if they don't already.

I wonder how customizable it is... I should check it out.

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Jonny Cook
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November 2003

I downloaded and installed Vista on Paralells (I'm a Mac user now :P). It didn't seem that much of an improvment. It seemed pretty disorderly. I don't know... maybe I'm just used to Mac OS X, which seems to be really well organized.

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GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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Just for information:

Benchmarking on same computer, Vista VS Windows XP SP2

In French, but pictures are worldwide.

Plus there is some new bug, there is no speed improvement. In fact, there is speed loss.

The only thing that look interesting in Vista is the ReadyBoost feature.

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Archon
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January 2004
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How can Vista be faster if it requires more resources? Really, wouldn't Windows 95/3.1/DOS all be faster if it supported the latest hardware?

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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Better Memory/64 bit/Dual Core support perhaps ? That what I was waiting for.

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Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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HoHo
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April 2004
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The only thing that look interesting in Vista is the ReadyBoost feature.

What is better, having a gig of fast flash attatched to your PC at all times or having a gig of extra RAM? First has latency of a millisecond or so and bandwidth of a few MB/s, other has latency of few tens of nanoseconds and bandwidth of couple of gigs per second.

Why on earth would anyone want to have a slower cache instead of faster one?

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Better Memory

In what way?

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64 bit

64bit will not improve speed in most cases. Thanks to taking a bit more memory it is often even slower since less stuff would fit to caches. E.g, every element in a doubly linked list will take around 8 more bytes of memory. if you have list if ints you would have 20 bytes per element instead of 12.

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Dual Core support

What would be the difference there? I bet less than 1% assuming they fixed XP process handler.

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Johan Halmén
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September 2001

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Plus there is some new bug, there is no speed improvement. In fact, there is speed loss.

Only hardware becomes faster. Software becomes slower. Vista is software. It could be fun to install Win 3.0 on a modern computer.

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GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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HoHo said:

Why on earth would anyone want to have a slower cache instead of faster one?

You do not understand what is ReadyBoost. Your memory is cleaned at each boot. Not the USB. I do not think that your HDD is quicker than a good USB 2.0 key. And I know that it will only speed up application startup, but that's a start.

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In what way?

Management, virtual driver bigger than 32 meg,...

For the 64 bit part, I am already waiting for the OS who will not use (as you said) much memory for nothing. I was thinking to something as using 2 int on a 64 bit chunk ( yeah I am a dreamer )

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HoHo
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You do not understand what is ReadyBoost.

I haven't read much about it but from what I understood it looked like Vista used it for a second disk cache to speed up random small file reads.

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Your memory is cleaned at each boot. Not the USB.

That one I hear for the first time. I highly doubt Vista can use things like that to store memory state while being turned off. Could you give me some links so I could read more about it?

One way to make machines boot relatively fast would be to put write the entire contents* of RAM sequentally to disk and when booting up reading it back to memory in one go. Modern HDD's have sequental read speed of >50MB/s. Reading in a gig of data takes around 20s and after that it'll be much faster than any USB drive can be. I'm not sure but I think I just described how suspend to disk works :)

*) Of cource disk cache isn't part of it

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I do not think that your HDD is quicker than a good USB 2.0 key

That I know :)

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And I know that it will only speed up application startup, but that's a start.

That is, assuming that application is already cached.

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I was thinking to something as using 2 int on a 64 bit chunk ( yeah I am a dreamer )

That OS is called "Linux" ;)
It can use up to 64gigs of ram on 32bit x86 CPU's starting from PentiumPro.

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GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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I am not a pro vista, but I wil answer you :p

Readyboost:
Windows ReadyBoost introduces a new concept in add-on system memory. You can use nonvolatile flash memory devices, such as universal serial bus (USB) flash drives, to improve performance without having to add memory "under the hood." The flash memory device serves as an additional memory cache—that is, memory that the computer can access much more quickly than it can access data on the hard disk drive.
(from Microsoft)

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That is, assuming that application is already cached.

I hope they will cache it at the first start :p

For the meme part, I am not talking of mem adressing, but 64 bit processor eating more int at each clock tick instead of eating them one by one ;-p It is perhaps already done but I doubt it.

Last, I am a linux debian user ( DEBIAN FTW !! ! )

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Jonatan Hedborg
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July 2004
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I am not a pro vista, but I will answer you :p
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Last, I am a linux debian user ( DEBIAN FTW !! ! )

Overcompensating a little, hmm? In-the-closet vista fan-boy, i bet ;)

axilmar
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April 2001

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Only hardware becomes faster. Software becomes slower. Vista is software. It could be fun to install Win 3.0 on a modern computer.

I installed Win 3.1 on my PC (Athlon 2400 with 1GB memory) for fun before I installed XP. The installation was so fast, I barely saw the installation windows. And then the system was amazingly fast.

Of course Win 3.1 processes are not protected; the multitasking is co-operative, and all processes are in the same memory space. The CPU does not waste any time in scheduling stuff or jumping from userland to kernel.

Perhaps the future lies with O/Ses like Microsoft's 'Singularity', where process security takes place at compile level.

Regarding voice recognition, it presents a real problem if it is ever realized in its full capacity. With CD sound recording devices on the palms of our hands (e.g. mobile phones), voice recognition can get really dangerous.

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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Jonatan said:

In-the-closet vista fan-boy, i bet

Not really. I am just a laptop user who have been mailed to have a free Vista upgrade. So I did some search to see if I will have some improvement going to vista from xp. No real improvement.

Last, looking glass look better on linux than aeroglass on vista. I'll stitch on XP for windows use and looking glass on my debian.

The 2006 year was the first I bought a WXP license, and this only because it was included in my laptop pack.

I do not say windows is that evil, and linux that best. Since one day microsoft will stop support for XP, I just wanna see what I will use in the near future.

Also, I got a Geforce GO 7600, and the latest nvidia drivers for this card (the new 100 one's) are just for vista.

Just to end, I see somewhere that we should not go and upgrade now to vista, mainly because as all microsoft product, it is not really polished. A service pack is already in development for vista.

I am not pro linux/windows. I like to use both because each one have good/evil stuff.

EDIT: On a windows system looking glass is not really interfacing the Os desktop. On linux system , yeah it is !

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July 2004

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GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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Edited while you where posting.

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Archon
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January 2004
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Last, looking glass [sun.com] look better on linux than aeroglass on vista.

When I first looked at the screenshots, I thought that it was like turning your computer into a virtual city, and programs/components would correspond to 'buildings' that relate to their purpose.

Francois Lamini
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September 2006
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I hate microsoft stuff like Windows and all of their products because they have so many bugs. If it were not for my soundcard, which I will probably change, I would switch to Linux. Windows definitely blows!

Francois

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November 2003
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Francois: then change. I'm pretty sure that there are drivers either present in the latest kernel or under developement. I was also objecting against Linux on my laptop - since it was not supported properly, but now I came across latest SuSe and I'm in the process of switching the entire OS. The only thing I'm still under Windows is that I'm unable (understand "lazy") to set up mplayer and xmms to play my music and movies.

Anyway that hole in Vista made laugh. More the solutions MS has posted:

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Microsoft confirmed the bug and suggested as workarounds that either 'A user can turn off their computer speakers and/or microphone'; or, 'If a user does run an audio file that attempts to execute commands on their system, they should close the Windows Media Player, turn off speech recognition, and restart their computer.

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Evert
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November 2000
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I hate microsoft stuff like Windows and all of their products because they have so many bugs.

All software has bugs, you know?

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Windows definitely blows!

Depends. Some people think it's fine; personally I hope I never have to use it again.
This is a situation where freedom of choice is a good thing.

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Is it just me or would you normally position your speakers and microphone (and configure the volume settings) in such a way that your microphone would not really pick up the sound of the speakers?

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I have a USB head set that is usually plugged in and laying on the top of my desk. I'm sure it could pick up something at regular-to-loud volume from my speakers.

For someone with voice control enabled, I think it's very likely that their microphone could pick up something from the speakers. I don't think it's a far-fetched scenario at all!

Plus, it's simple: Make a flash game that says, "Turn up your speakers and try to click the bird as soon as you hear it make a sound." Make sure it's quiet so the user turns up his speakers very high. Then after a few mins, just blast out a command. ;D Okay, I'm tempted to do this. Don't tell. :-X

Evert
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November 2000
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For someone with voice control enabled, I think it's very likely that their microphone could pick up something from the speakers. I don't think it's a far-fetched scenario at all!

What about acoustic feed-back? That's what happens to me when I my microphone picks up sound from the speakers.



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