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Evert
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November 2000
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I couldn't work out if I had to answer "yes" to the "You did that" part, or "no" to the "did you not" bit

Not a problem, my dear fellow, if you answer in a complete sentence: yes, I did or no, I didn't. :)

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'I deny everything!'

That jogged my Blackadder memory:
BA: "Deny everything, Baldrick!"
M: "Are you private Baldrick?"
B: "No, I'm not! And Captain Blackadder did not shoot the delicious pigeon!"

Richard Phipps
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CGamesPlay
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Yeah, the moral of the story is: don't ask negatives. When I am asked questions like that, I will either answer in complete sentences or say "correct" or "incorrect", instead of "yes" or "no" or "right" or "left".

Holy crap topic switch!

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Joel Pettersson
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Richard Phipps said:

Is there some kind of online test for ASD?

Multiple ones. Approximate, all of them, but they reportedly get it right most of the time. Here is one, and another can be found here.

Richard Phipps
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HardTranceFan
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Same. I scored 12.

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Richard Phipps
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LennyLen
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Joel, Asperger's Syndrome(AS) != ASD. Autistic Spectrum Disorder is not a specific disorder, but a blanket term that covers various high functioning autistic disorders (including AS). In other words, you can have ASD and not have AS.

As for thos AS tests, I scored 27 on the first one. On the second I has a "Aspie" score of 165 and a neurotypical score of 32. So both tests say I have AS (which isn't surprising ;)). The problem with these sort of tests is false positives. A lot of people who have ADHD with secondary anxiety disorder or OCD would also be given postive results by those tests. The first was short enough that a lot of other people would get false positives as well.

Evert
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That was fun; amazingly enough (;)), I'm apparently 'neurotypical'.
I scored 5 on the first test, 35/161 on the second one, but that was influenced by having to answer "yes" to questions about wether or not I used to feel different or left out, since I was (due to spending large chunks of my childhood in hospital). Should perhaps have answered them as reflecting to my current situation, but considering the end result it should hardly make a difference.

EDIT: swapped the order of the tests, I did them in reverse order.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I got 25. Sounds like you guys are losers!

I agree with LennyLen here. The 90% accuracy the test claims is in the wrong direction. I could devise a test with 100% accuracy in that direction by just claiming everyone has it! 8-)

Jakub Wasilewski
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I got 81/128 on the longer test, and 13 on the shorter one. Seems I'm "neurotypical", but not by much ;). I might have been a little too hard on myself when answering the question about social relations, though.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I think most self-diagnosed people simply have what Wikipedia terms HFA, which to me is nothing more than a description of a nerd. And that's no disease, it's just a behavioral pattern to which nerds naturally adapt.

Jakub Wasilewski
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Self-diagnosed Asperger's [encyclopediadramatica.com], you say?

If that was by chance directed at me, no. I might have advanced nerditis, but not Asperger's ;).

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Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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So basically, underwear is just one glorified sanity-pad holder.

Hahaha, sanity pad...

Someone please make a photoshop of this idea, I'm too lazy to do it right now.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Oh nice.
First link: 38
Second Link: 164, 32

I wonder if a fairly extreme score in one of these test (answered honestly) means anything.

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Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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I bet picollo would get a negative score.. ;)

X-G
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December 2000
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26p. Huzzah, I beat Matthew! I didn't win though. :(

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Richard Phipps
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Wow! So that's three of you who could have an ASD disorder. How do you feel about that? :(

Thomas Fjellstrom
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Ever since I was first introduced with "Aspergers" it just made sense. Of course the doctors seem to think its BiPolar, but then they don't seem to be to interested in actually doing more than seeing me every 2-4 weeks to top off my medication ::) (medication that doesn't really help as much as I'd like even ::))

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LennyLen
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How do you feel about that?

If you told me you could "cure" me, I'd ask you to go away. Honestly. My AS is on the mild side, and any disadvantages it brings are easily made up for. AS can really be a blessing though.

Take a look up at the stars one night. Yes, theyre pretty. Now look again. Do you see the grid of squares they make, or the hex-grid, or the series of interconnected dodecahedrons? See them? No? Suckers. It's not just the stars. Take any randomly distributed seemingly patternless system such as a patch of grass or leaves on a tree. They're filled with patterns of geometirc shapes, that most people are completely incapable of picking out. I can watch trees in the wind for ages, just watching all the patterns rearrange themselves (for anyon who's hallucinated on acid or cactus, the effect is very similar).

I also have a complete inablity to be bored. If there's "nothing to do" I can just amuse myself by finding text and rearranging all the letters in my head using a rather complex little mathematic system I designed as a child to see what parts of the text "equate" to other parts. Most people go WTF? when I tell them I do that, but to me its perfectly normal, and I was quite surprised when I finally learnt that it's something that I do, and not something that everyone does.

So how to I feel about AS? I love it. If you could take away my anxiety disorder though, I'd be grateful forever.

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Of course the doctors seem to think its BiPolar

I'm not trying to put down psychiatry, but a lot of it is hit-and-miss. It's not uncommon for a diagnosis to only be confirmed once it's discovered which drugs you respond to. In part because so many disorders mimic each other and also because a lot of people have more than one disorder. My diagnosis vector was Depression, ADHD, Bipolarism with secondary OCD and then finally AS and AD.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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If you could take away my anxiety disorder though, I'd be grateful forever.

You and me both. That and the so called "Social Phobia".

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I also have a complete inablity to be bored.

Oh, oddly enough, I happen to take entire social situations from start to end through my head. Every word, every movement, every feeling. I'd rather have what you have though ::)

Then theres what happens when I'm really into something. I totally zone or blank out, yet I'm still reading or watching what I'm "doing". Maybe it has to do with recall, but often I can't actually remember physically reading entire passeges, but I remember the story/plot/whatever. In fact, I don't remember seeing anything when I zone out, I sorta go into the thing I'm doing. It's all rather fun, but it can sometimes take a while to get into "the zone" as I like to call it.

Then theres times when I get a little crazy ;) I suppose they are just halucinations, but how often can you actually controll them as you would a musical instrument? Infact, thats basically what it is for me, just entire songs, typically Classical/Orchestral music. I'll "make" entire musics in my head, with a multitude of instruments, and I actually HEAR it. I wish that happened more often to tell you the truth. Though before I get to that point, I usually just recall entire "pop/rock" songs in my head, all the lyrics, instruments etc. Thats nice too, even though afterwards (or outside of "the zone") I couldn't actually tell you the lyrics or the name of the song in most cases. And no, its no dream. At least not as if I'm sleeping.

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I'm not trying to put down psychiatry, but a lot of it is hit-and-miss.

Don't I know it. And I'd have said "Its all hit and miss". Its no science thats for sure. Until we totally map the brain, its electrochemistry, it'll always be hit and miss imo.

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Derezo
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I'm not trying to put down psychiatry, but a lot of it is hit-and-miss.

I'm not trying to put down psychiatry, but some psychiatrists pull their diagnosis from their anus. :-/

When I was younger I was diagnosed with ADHD... I don't have ADHD at all and never have. There wasn't anything wrong with me, I just didn't like school. ::)

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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I don't have ADHD at all and never have.

Ahaha. Yeah, back in the 80s and early 90s ADD and ADHD was something of a fad, and almost everyone got tagged with it. And the funny thing is, its easy to tell when a person doesn't have it, once you're put on the meds for ADD or ADHD, it just makes you have the actual symptoms iirc.

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LennyLen
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That and the so called "Social Phobia".

Well, Social Phobia is the type of AD I was referring to. I did start to develop Panic Disorder which nearly blew up into Agoraphobia, and this is when I finally made the decision to seek psychiatric help (at age 27). Luckily, Christchurch has one of the best Anxiety Disorders Units in the world (Or so I'm told. They still haven't clicked to the fact that they should have placement interviews in the client's home!!! Well, in their defence, they probably want to, but no doubt there are budget constrainsts), so within no time I was placed on an eight-week group CBT course which helped to eliminate the Panic Disorder before it set in. The Social Phobia was far more ingrained into me though, and is probably likely to never go away (though I can control it to a large extent now).

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Then theres what happens when I'm really into something. I totally zone or blank out, yet I'm still reading or watching what I'm "doing". Maybe it has to do with recall, but often I can't actually remember physically reading entire passeges, but I remember the story/plot/whatever. In fact, I don't remember seeing anything when I zone out, I sorta go into the thing I'm doing. It's all rather fun, but it can sometimes take a while to get into "the zone" as I like to call it.

Then theres times when I get a little crazy I suppose they are just halucinations, but how often can you actually controll them as you would a musical instrument? Infact, thats basically what it is for me, just entire songs, typically Classical/Orchestral music. I'll "make" entire musics in my head, with a multitude of instruments, and I actually HEAR it. I wish that happened more often to tell you the truth. Though before I get to that point, I usually just recall entire "pop/rock" songs in my head, all the lyrics, instruments etc. Thats nice too, even though afterwards (or outside of "the zone") I couldn't actually tell you the lyrics or the name of the song in most cases. And no, its no dream. At least not as if I'm sleeping.

I have read a LOT of material on AS and Bipolarism over the years, and while I've heard of what you describe in the first paragraph from both groups (I do that myself), but what you describe in the second I've only seen attributed to AS. Interesting.

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once you're put on the meds for ADD or ADHD, it just makes you have the actual symptoms iirc.

Yup. Ritalin is a methamphetimine analogue.

Funnily enough, when they put me on it, my sleeping problems went away. It didn't do any of the desired effects however, so they stopped treatment.



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