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How Much is 10 farad?
Billybob
Member #3,136
January 2003

It's been too long since physics class. What could this baby power?

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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A lot. The description on the page lists one use. Power a small electronic device for hours. Most caps are rated in milli and micro farad.

edit, makes me think, how many mAh can you get out of one of these? :o

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miran
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June 2002

Yeah, anything above the micro range is quite big and anything above mili is huge.

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Bob
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September 2000
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makes me think, how many mAh can you get out of one of these?

Well, F = C/V, and V = 2.5 Volts, F = 10 Farads, thus C = 25 Coulombs = 25 Amp*seconds = ~6.94 mAh.

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Goalie Ca
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July 2002
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10F cap is a lot! :D Supercaps are cool although i've never played with one meself. And for those doing calculations always look at the datasheet ;)

I've always wanted to play with a time constant of longer than a lifetime :D

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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That's the problem. The charge and discharge rates in big caps are long as hell, so you might as well as use a battery. Capacitors big in rating still need to be big in size, if one wants them to be any better than just having a regular battery.

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kikabo
Member #3,679
July 2003
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I remember our physics teacher saying that the capacitance of the earth is about one farrad when he was trying to emphasize how huge that really is

Apparently it's less than that

LennyLen
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December 2004
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That cap is a baby! :P

I used to work at a company that manufactured switch-mode power supplies used for telecommunications sites and other industrial uses. The line I worked on produced some of the smaller scale models,and we used several 25F caps in ours. Some of the custom jobs used caps that measured in the 100s.

I did visual inspection and rework. The next station after mine was final assemble and live testing, so I was close enough that when one of those blew, my ears would be ringing for minutes afterwards.

BAF
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December 2002
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The unit of capacitance is a farad. A 1-farad capacitor can store one coulomb (coo-lomb) of charge at 1 volt. A coulomb is 6.25e18 (6.25 * 10^18, or 6.25 billion billion) electrons. One amp represents a rate of electron flow of 1 coulomb of electrons per second, so a 1-farad capacitor can hold 1 amp-second of electrons at 1 volt.

A 1-farad capacitor would typically be pretty big. It might be as big as a can of tuna or a 1-liter soda bottle, depending on the voltage it can handle. So you typically see capacitors measured in microfarads (millionths of a farad).

To get some perspective on how big a farad is, think about this:

* A typical alkaline AA battery holds about 2.8 amp-hours.
* That means that a AA battery can produce 2.8 amps for an hour at 1.5 volts (about 4.2 watt-hours -- a AA battery can light a 4-watt bulb for a little more than an hour).
* Let's call it 1 volt to make the math easier. To store one AA battery's energy in a capacitor, you would need 3,600 * 2.8 = 10,080 farads to hold it, because an amp-hour is 3,600 amp-seconds.

If it takes something the size of a can of tuna to hold a farad, then 10,080 farads is going to take up a LOT more space than a single AA battery! Obviously, it is impractical to use capacitors to store any significant amount of power unless you do it at a high voltage.

Goalie Ca
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July 2002
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I remember our physics teacher saying that the capacitance of the earth is about one farrad when he was trying to emphasize how huge that really is

A traditional capacitor has two plates and maybe an electrolyte in the middle. Capacitance mostly scales with surface area and the constant defined by the substance in between.

A super cap has tons and tons of surface area all scrumpled up inside. With nanotubes we're expecting a great increase in the potential.

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relay01
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March 2006
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10 farad <= 1 US Dollar

:D

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

I know what you can do with it. You can attach it to these stupid computer "main" switches so that you don't have to wait only 6 seconds but 6 years before replugging, after unplugging the main, after a crash.

What I'm ranting about? When our new machines at work crash, I unplug the main. Then I wait for the green led at the stupid power button to stop blinking. Then I replug and cold boot the machine. As long as the led blinks, the switch logic is in a crash state and the computer doesn't start. With that cap it would probably blink for years.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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The charge and discharge rates in big caps are long as hell

I remember reading about the people who experiment with super powerful electromagnets, they need hours to charge several tons of caps (due to power line capacity) but they discharge them in a fraction of a second.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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yippy portable rail gun here i come.;D

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awahh i just read the rest. but its nice to know there are people who think like me.

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Derezo
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April 2001
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It's rather frightening to know that other people think like you.. :-/

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miran
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June 2002

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It's rather frightening to know that other people think like you...

I was thinking about the same thing as him. :-X

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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I remember reading about the people who experiment with super powerful electromagnets, they need hours to charge several tons of caps (due to power line capacity) but they discharge them in a fraction of a second.

Yep, small caps. One big cap wouldn't have discharged that fast.

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Rampage
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December 2002
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How big would the explosion be if that thing is reverse-polarized?

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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How big would the explosion be if that thing is reverse-polarized?

Not that big, actually. Very loud though.

Johan Halmén
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September 2001

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