Allegro.cc - Online Community

Allegro.cc Forums » Off-Topic Ordeals » What have *you* done for your country lately? (US centric)

This thread is locked; no one can reply to it. rss feed Print
What have *you* done for your country lately? (US centric)
axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

Quote:

Because that is telling them they are wrong, and telling someone that an opinion is wrong can be insulting.

Well, when a person feels he/she is 100% correct on any subject, then they are stupid. The correct thing is to ask "why do you say I am wrong?"...but few people do that.

HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
avatar

Quote:

If displaying any beliefs (not only religious) that would insult someone would be illegal, we wouldn't be allowed to speak at all.

Didn't they ban some muslim clothes in Germany some time ago?

__________
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
avatar

Quote:

should we really be surprised if they feel insulted by a T-Shirt that tells them their whole life's philosophy is wrong?

First a nit-pick. It's not telling them they're wrong, it's merely expressing an opinion.

But no, I'd doubt that it's a surprise to anyone that people feel insulted by such things.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
avatar

Having a reasonably thick skin is part of being mature. OTOH, swallowing complete bull through mental laziness is immature as well. I got quite angry last night when I seen on TV that Bush had prisoners "water-tortured" (with a short clip to show what was involved) and his excuse was (paraphrased) "It's not torture because torture is against the law". If I caught someone stealing stuff in my hootch and he said "I'm not stealing your stuff because that's illegal" he'd get much worse than if he'd just said "I thought I could get away with it".

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Ariesnl
Member #2,902
November 2002
avatar

Quote:

after all, if the religious guy is right, the atheist is probably supposed to end up burning for eternity or as a cockroach or something painful like that.

Nope, at least not according to my religion. Would it be fair to punish someone just because he or she didn't get to know you ?
Maybe he of she needs to learn some other lessons first or is in some other way not ready yet.

Perhaps one day we will find that the human factor is more complicated than space and time (Jean luc Picard)
Current project: [Star Trek Project ] Join if you want ;-)

Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
avatar

For those who say the Pirate party is radical and unserious, I don't think you've followed the development.
When they first started, it was harsh. They wanted to completely get rid of copyright and patents.
But those are no longer the main questions. It is still there as a goal, but they have chosen to focus on the integrity issue.

The primary goal of the pirate party is now to protect your rights to privacy. To stop the increasingly ridiculous laws and demands from entertainment industries.
The pirate party wants filesharing to have the same rights as snail mail.

The post office isn't allowed to open your mail to see if you're sending a cd with illegal material. Why should your packets on internet be less protected?

Zaphos
Member #1,468
August 2001

Quote:

It's not telling them they're wrong, it's merely expressing an opinion.

I don't understand your nitpick. If I opine X and you believe not-X, doesn't my opinion imply you are wrong? Is there really a useful distinction to be made between saying "X is true" or saying "If you believe not-X, you are wrong about X"?

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
avatar

Quote:

If I opine X and you believe not-X, doesn't my opinion imply you are wrong?

Not at all. For example, I don't believe there is a god. I don't know this for a fact however, it is just my opinion. Therefore, people who do believe in a god are not wrong in my eyes just because they believe something different. It could be me who is wrong.

Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
avatar

But unless there can be, and not be, a god at the same time, then believing there is no god means you believe the people who believe there is a god are wrong.
:-X

What I mean is, if you don't believe those people are wrong, then you believe you're wrong. If you don't believe you're wrong, then you believe they're wrong. It's nice that you're open to the possibility that you may be wrong, but that doesn't change that you believe you're right and they're not. You can't both be right.

--
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will pee on your computer." -- Bruce Graham

Bob
Free Market Evangelist
September 2000
avatar

Can we at least try to keep the thread on-topic?

--
- Bob
[ -- All my signature links are 404 -- ]

HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
avatar

You forgot one option: you don't know for sure if something is true or not. For example you can't be 100% sure that timetravel is impossible. Who are wrong, the one who believe its possible or the ones who don't?

__________
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
avatar

Quote:

Who are wrong, the one who believe its possible or the ones who don't?

It's not about who's wrong, it's about you believing someone else is wrong.

To be on-topic:
I've been trying to get people that don't want to use an obscenely dominating OS to not use it, when they do anyway because they think they have no choice. Breaking MS's stranglehold on the OS market is something that I see as beneficial to this country (if not the world).

--
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will pee on your computer." -- Bruce Graham

Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
avatar

Quote:

I've been trying to get people that don't want to use an obscenely dominating OS to not use it, when they do anyway because they think they have no choice. Breaking MS's stranglehold on the OS market is something that I see as beneficial to this country (if not the world).

Actually, I get tired from this whole stranglehold discussion.
Sure, a de-facto monopoly like the one Microsoft has is a bad thing. Still, for Macs, the situation is even worse, since the company that makes the hardware is the same that also makes the OS; and I'd estimate the market share of MacOS in the mac sector a lot larger than that of Windows in the PC sector. Yet nobody seems to complain that Apple has a monopoly on Mac operating systems. (OK, you can use Windows on an Intel Mac, and quite some people do - but even before that, almost nobody complained).

What bothers me more than the fact that there is a monopoly, is how microsoft abuses this position to push non-secure, buggy, non-standard software into the market in order to extend the monopoly over other realms (e.g. browsers).

---
Me make music: Triofobie
---
"We need Tobias and his awesome trombone, too." - Johan Halmén

Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
avatar

Quote:

Still, for Macs, the situation is even worse, since the company that makes the hardware is the same that also makes the OS

Oh, trust me. I don't like Macs for that very reason. I'm not saying Apple is any better than MS, but MS is in a position to be able to do more damage to the industry (on purpose or not).

--
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will pee on your computer." -- Bruce Graham

Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
avatar

I get the idea that Apple still makes (mostly) good software, while microsoft abuses its monopoly to get away with inferior products.
A monopoly isn't a bad thing in itself. The problem is that too much power rests in too little hands, much like in a dictatorship or monarchy. A monarchy with a good, wise, and unselfish monarch is in fact the "ideal" society form. Unfortunately, good monarchs are rare.
Apple isn't a Good Monarch either; they too abuse their position. For example, after they bought emagic, they stopped development of the windows version of the Logic product family - the best music production tool I have encountered so far. The only reason to do so was to force studios to stick with or buy Macs, by artificially penalizing PC hardware in the competition.
Still, their software seems to have less bugs, look prettier, and be more ergonomic in general, than their microsoft counterparts (excluding Word, which should be the microsoft flagship instead of windows).

---
Me make music: Triofobie
---
"We need Tobias and his awesome trombone, too." - Johan Halmén



Go to: