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| [New Web IDE] Have you tried Apatana? |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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I just heard about the new web IDE Aptana. http://www.aptana.com/images/screenshot_actions_view.png It seems kind of cool but since it isn't in the Kubuntu repositories yet I'm a bit reluctant to install it and try it out. Has anyone of you tried it yet? Is it worth trying out? [Edit:] Doh! It's called Aptana and not Apatana. No need to comment on it! |
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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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I grabbed the eclipse plugin version. Seemed cool although I'd prefer if it integrated a little better into eclipse. The scriptdoc thing is a bit hackish and crappy too. Marcello |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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I've checked out its videocasts now, and it seems pretty cool. I might go ahead and try this out next week by manual install if it hasn't appeared until then in the package repository. |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Looks pretty nice. I just installed it and messed around, I like it. I wonder if there is any way to hack in support for templates (so I can edit smarty template files and view the output in the preview thing). I can still edit templates using it, with its AJAX libraries. Pretty nice. Though I dont know why they call them AJAX libraries... its just libraries like MochiKit and Yahoo UI. Not really much with AJAX, just CSS and DHTML manip. |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Baf, anything that moves is Ajax*. Just ask the guys at digg. * I am being facetious. |
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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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BAF: It's eclipse, just write an eclipse module to work with smarty templates. Marcello |
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Billybob
Member #3,136
January 2003
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Quote: Baf, anything that moves is Ajax*. Just ask the guys at digg. Then it's true, Ajax has been around forever. Why I'm using AJAX right now! scrolls page Oh the humanity! moves mouse Make it stop! Why can't we go back to the days of non-ajax text consoles? Oh but darn that AJAX'd blinking cursor!
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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Could use stone tablets. Marcello |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Aptana is just eclipse with its plugin? Or did you mean use Eclipse with the plugin? |
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Felipe Maia
Member #6,190
September 2005
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By the looks of it, I'd say it's eclipse, or at least based on it. |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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If I understand it correctly it's built upon the Eclipse framework. |
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nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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That looks awesome.... I think it looks like an eclipse rcp (rich client platform) project too. edit; err, yep: Quote: This page discusses some of the basic terminology for you to become familiar with when working in an Eclipse-based environment, such as Aptana.
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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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There are two versions, the self-contained IDE that's basically a stripped down version of Eclipse with their extra stuff, and a plugin, which works with an existing Eclipse installation. Marcello |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Wow, I never knew eclipse was so sexy looking. I thought Eclipse was that ugly ass Java IDE... |
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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Maybe you're thinking of netbeans? (Which isn't particularly ugly either.) Marcello |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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Quote: Wow, I never knew eclipse was so sexy looking. I thought Eclipse was that ugly ass Java IDE... Eclipse is the best IDE I've ever used. Visual Studio comes in as second. And most of the others (which all have been free) I've used have been quite crappy. I'll check out KDevelop though as it's supposed to be good. |
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Felipe Maia
Member #6,190
September 2005
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Quote: Eclipse is the best IDE I've ever used. Seconded. |
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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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Unless I'm reading it wrong, it's seems a bit of a stupid IDE. As in you have to download a completely new IDE for every language you want to compile for. That seems to be the case for C/C++ and Java anyway. Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
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Felipe Maia
Member #6,190
September 2005
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For Eclipse all you need to download is a plugin. They don't have built in compilers though(maybe java?), you have to get those by yourself. |
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Hard Rock
Member #1,547
September 2001
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Quote: Unless I'm reading it wrong, it's seems a bit of a stupid IDE. As in you have to download a completely new IDE for every language you want to compile for. That seems to be the case for C/C++ and Java anyway. I understood it was plugin based. So if you want just download the core, and install the plugins and that copy will support all the languages you want. Now the standalone is an option if you dont want/need the extra files and want a smaller install, its really another option not a neccessity. _________________________________________________ |
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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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Well, if you follow this: The c/c++ CDT project seems like a complete IDE to me, not a plugin. Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
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Hard Rock
Member #1,547
September 2001
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Im currently happily using VS.net so i wont bother to test it, but here a link: Quote:
The CDT (C/C++ Development Tools) Project is working towards providing a fully functional C and C++ Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for the Eclipse platform.
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FrankyR
Member #243
April 2000
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Most things that Eclipse does are implemented as plugins, they all sit on top of the Eclipse Workbench. Even the core Java editing is a plugin (that usually comes with the framework by default). People can choose to include the whole Eclipse workbench with their features and plugins when they release their product so that people don't need to have Eclipse already installed or really know anything about it. Eclipse RCPs (Rich Client Platforms) can be built that will appear to be stand-alone products to the user; they basically contain only a subset of the plugins that form the normal eclipse workbench in addition to the plugins of the product itself. It appears that Aptana has separate downloads for the RCP (i.e. standalone IDE) and just it's plugins to be added to an existing Eclipse installation. The problem with just having one Eclipse and throwing in the plugins that you want occur when there are version mismatches. i.e. you have Eclipse 3.1 installed but the new feature you want to use is built on Eclipse 3.2. This would force you to use Eclipse 3.2, but due to sloppy coding on the part of plugin developers (depending on what you want your plugins to do it can me amazingly difficult to respect all of the internal classes and whatnot of the Eclipse api) some of your previous plugins that worked with 3.1 may not work right with 3.2 and if there isn't an update available you're somewhat out of luck. |
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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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The whole system seems very convoluted and complex to me, or is it just a badly organised website/system? I've downloaded the core SDK as it tells me, just haven't had time for any more reading. Seems to me like eclipse is a java platform for developing java and they've tried to stick on support for other system, ala Code::Blocks. Anyway, what exactly is Callisto in relation to eclipse and CDT. Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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Quote: Seems to me like eclipse is a java platform for developing java and they've tried to stick on support for other system, ala Code::Blocks. Well apparantly it works quite well for HTML, JavaScript, Stylesheets as well. That a plugin for C/C++ (especially the latter) is much harder to create (if you want the same features as the Java-plugin) than one for Java seems logical. |
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