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Creating a banner
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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I just put the 'Allegro.cc Banner Network' script to my page and now i'm in the middle of creating a banner for my own page to add to the network:
1:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/bannerbg.png
2:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/bannerbg2.png

Which one do you think is better? (I personally like #2 more.)
Second question is embedded in second image.
(btw, the backdrop was created with dcgg(see my sig). dcgg file is attached.;))

Archon
Member #4,195
January 2004
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Which one do you think is better?

I guess #2 too - probably because I can see the words better.

You should put questions about the banners in the post rather than the image itself.

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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The second looks good.
I would put the contents of your website.

Either:
" Games - Music - Applications "
or:
" Project A - Project B - Project C "

I find that the banners which advertise a specific project are more likely to get my attention and make me click them. You could make a banner specifically for FSA.

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Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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Archon said:

You should put questions about the banners in the post rather than the image itself.

It was supposed to give an impression, how the 'to be found'-text i wanted to put there would look.

Derezo said:

I find that the banners which advertise a specific project are more likely to get my attention and make me click them. You could make a banner specifically for FSA.

A good idea, now i have two images to choose from again and now it is to decide, which one is more appealing...
3:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/banner01.png
4:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/banner02.png

Fladimir da Gorf
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October 2001
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Use both of those and make it so that it changes the image by random (They look pretty nice, btw, only if you could make the black text more visible and maybe give it a white border or something)

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Too much going on with all those sprites. Keep it simple is always the best plan. Much more elegant.

Something like this would suite you ;)
http://retrospec.sgn.net/bush.jpg

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ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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http://www.allegro.cc/go/http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/banner01.png
Makes me want to click the version on this page...

NyanKoneko
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March 2005
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I have a banner, not getting used on allegro.cc. =P

http://www.ukato.com/images/nyanban1.gif

Dennis
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July 2003
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Fladimir da Gorf said:

Use both of those and make it so that it changes the image by random
[..]only if you could make the black text more visible and maybe give it a white border or something)

You can't add two banners to the allegro banner network or did i miss something? I'll see what i can do about the text visibility.

Neil Walker said:

Too much going on with all those sprites. Keep it simple is always the best plan.

Maybe i'll go with number 4 then(the one with DCGG on it, because it is the more recent project).

Neil Walker also, probably trying to start a soccer flamewar, said:

Something like this would suite you;)
http://retrospec.sgn.net/bush.jpg

I bet some german soccer fan could get upset about it, but not me, i could not care less.;)

Dustin Dettmer said:

Makes me want to click the version on this page...

Maybe i should use both banners, one for each odd month and the other for each even one... hm...

EDIT:
NyanKoneko: You posted while i was writing and when i got the 'give credit' option, i credited everyone, assuming that your post was something on topic and useful, without having read it.;D
Btw, your banner has the wrong dimensions to be usable by the allegro.cc banner network.;)

X-G
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December 2000
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NyanKoneko
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March 2005
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OK, I was just sharing above.

I'll give some helpful advice.

First of all, keep things simple and organized. Secondly, add a border to the banner.

- EDIT -
To me, there's just too much going on in the banner. I'll start working on something...

Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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X-G said:

Engrish is to make excitement of the rungs
Much enjoy and raughter

???

NyanKoneko said:

First of all, keep things simple and organized. Secondly, add a border to the banner.
- EDIT -
To me, there's just too much going on in the banner. I'll start working on something...

Ok, credit earned!:) I'll come back tomorrow.

NyanKoneko
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March 2005
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Here's my first idea. I added the gimp version with all the separate layers so you can add / change whatever.

{"name":"basic2.png","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/9\/e\/9e0bc40dffed14e27e31ca4b5025cf2a.png","w":468,"h":60,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/9\/e\/9e0bc40dffed14e27e31ca4b5025cf2a"}basic2.png

Archon
Member #4,195
January 2004
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What about #3 but make the sprites partially transparent and spread out?

Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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NyanKoneko said:

Here's my first idea.

Thanks for the effort but i am sorry to tell you that i do not like it.
But there is a good thing about it: I like the 'scanline' effect and incorporated that into my changes.:)

With the 'scanline'effect, the sprites are now put back a little. I also made them visible only 75% so they even less distract the eyes from the text, which imho makes the whole banner appear much less cluttered now.
For a border, i added the infamous button effect(I know, it might be a little overused these days, but still i think it fits this banner well. I had tested a plain colored border in every possible color, but that always looked boring.)

So here are the final versions of both banners:
5:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/banner03.png
6:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/banner04.png
(they appear a little dark here, because the forums bg color is so bright)

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

Dennis Busch:
I think that your banners all look fairly poor, amateurish. You use to many colors and shapes which are all over the place. It's hard to focus on something in your banner and draw some conclusion of what your site is about (and thus get interested in clicking on it). It's just IMHO though, perhaps I am wrong so don't take it to hard. :)

Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001

Kent Larsson said:

I think that your banners all look fairly poor, amateurish.

Seconded. If I really had to pick one, I'd take the first one (in the op) but take the URL from the second one - but if I had a free choice, I wouldn't pick any of them. :)

Dennis
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July 2003
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Kent Larsson said:

I think that your banners all look fairly poor, amateurish. You use to many colors and shapes which are all over the place. It's hard to focus on something in your banner and draw some conclusion of what your site is about (and thus get interested in clicking on it).

I disagree. The sprites on #5 are not all over the place but arranged in a well thought of way(a way that actually somehow fits, how the objects could appear in the game, though the saucers never fly that low). The colors of the backdrop are many, that is true, but their temperatures fit together very well in my eyes.
What i also disagree about: It is not hard to focus on the questions and these banners both advertise a single project each and not the entire site.(The site has no consistent 'What is it about?' theme, which is not too unusual for most personal pages.;))
Basically, if someone sees these banners they will read the question, then if they answer them with 'yes' for themselves, they may be interested and click it, if not, they don't.
About colorfulness in #6:
This one is advertising my 'dynamic color gradient generator'! It has to be colorful and vibrant! All the small images on it have been created with that generator, so they perfectly well belong there.

That's of course also just imho and maybe something is totally wrong with my eyes and my perception...

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

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That's of course also just imho and maybe something is totally wrong with my eyes and my perception...

Yes there must be. ;) I know that the background image and the small mini-thumbnail images are from your gradient generator. People who sees the image won't though, they will just think that you just have discovered gradients and WordArt (for the text). 8-)

NyanKoneko
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March 2005
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You use to many colors and shapes which are all over the place.

That was the idea behind my first redux. Keep things simple and organized. You'll notice I even faded the colors in the BG image. Obviously, it was only a template to be used to add to it, but I was trying for a very clear, simple base. If you let me know what you want out of your banner design (your website itself is sort of not inspirational), then maybe I can try working on something more complete.

So far, I know you want something to show off your color generator and the name of your site, what else do you want your banner to convey?

EDIT:
Even I know that my first design was, meh. It might take a few tries to get a really good banner. I wouldn't reccomend taking any of the ones in this thread so far just because they are complete or that you worked on them. Being a good artist means learning to throw away your work. ;D

Dennis
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July 2003
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Kent Larsson said:

[..]they will just think that you just have discovered gradients and WordArt

It's not WordArt and i don't care if anyone thinks that way about the gradients.8-)

NyanKoneko said:

[..]maybe I can try working on something more complete[..]

No, please don't. It would be a waste of your time, because i already made my decision.

NyanKoneko said:

I wouldn't reccomend taking any of the ones in this thread so far just because they are complete or that you worked on them.

???
I really like my final versions and i would not use one of them, if i did not like it.

Thanks again to everybody for your opinions and comments.:)

X-G
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December 2000
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...don't care if anyone thinks that way about the gradients

You know, the whole purpose of the banner is to attract people to your site. If you don't care what they think, why do you even have one? :P

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Dennis
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July 2003
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Right but so far, there are only a few posters in this thread, who said they do not like it. So i can not assume that everybody thinks that way.

X-G
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December 2000
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Remember that these people have a history in graphical design and have a good grasp of what people in general feel. I for one agree. Your banners are amateurish, garish, and far too cluttered.

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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

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It's not WordArt and i don't care if anyone thinks that way about the gradients.8-)

And I understand how you feel about criticism (even when it's constructive to the max).

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