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Archon
Member #4,195
January 2004
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Quote: Another question: How come it says 3800+ but it says the operating frequency is 2.4GHz? Are those completely unrelated things? My Sempron64 2800+ is 1.6GHz. Quote: Another question: Do you have to use a 64-bit OS if you have a 64-bit processor? I'm running Linux AMD64 and also plain Windows XP (32bit). Though I need 32bit emulation for my Linux installation to use some 32bit programs. Quote: how many fans do you need? I only have 2 fans (CPU fan and PSU fan). It's quite quiet. Quote: Don't put the processor in backwards! What kind of CPU and Socket was it? My Sempron has only a single way to fit into the motherboard. If you're getting a Sempron64, check the CPU says "BX" at the end and not "AX". |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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Yeah, buy an AMD64 instead of Intel4, so that you can say you have 32 unused bits :-P Of course, you can download the 64 bits version of any game... oh... none... well, you can download MSVC for 64 bits and program at double the... hmm... no version? Well, doesn't matter, 64 > 32, so it cannot be wrong! -- |
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Michael Jensen
Member #2,870
October 2002
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It means the 2.4GHz AMD benches at 3800+ RB: the 64 bit thing was covered by hoho in the other thread, you can't get a 32 bit compy (according to him) that will preform as well as the 64 bit compy in 32bit mode for the same price... aparently they support mega overclockage also. also the architecture supports dual cores, an added bonus just for choosing Sempron. if you get any internal fans, I recomend you get covers/grills for them, esp case fans, that way if a ribbon cable/power cord, etc gets to close you don't have to smack the case until the "grinding" noise stops Quote: Ah, man I thought this thread was going to be about building an alu from logic gates and a bread board . I would love to take part in that discussoin ;-) Quote: Don't put the processor in backwards! Ummm... arn't they, like, keyed? On the same note, don't unplug the processor while the machine is running! Quote: Basicly 3 - one on powersource, one on processor and one on gfx cards (pretty nasty thing which will make one PCI slot unusable). GFX card should already have heatsink/fan on it... probably shouldn't need an add-on pci slot fan... I did see a gfx card the other day that had it's entire surface area covered with a heat-sink... Make sure you know how to install an OS, with XP it's pretty damn simple now adays.
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jhuuskon
Member #302
April 2000
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Who uses ribbon cables anyway? Rounded IDE cables..mmmm....;) You don't deserve my sig. |
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HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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Quote: Who uses ribbon cables anyway? Rounded IDE cables..mmmm....;) Who uses the old IDE with those huge cables? SATA all the way __________ |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Quote: 2)I've noticed a lot of nice deals on parts from NewEgg. But is there any catch? Should I go with the cheaper part from the lesser-known manufacturer or the more expensive one? Does it matter? Depends. Often the difference is in the features and not in the quality of the parts, most commonly in the motherboard sector. You want to get the features you want with the performance you want, which will turn into the price you need to pay Quote: 3)What mobo, cpu, gfx card would you recommend to someone who wants to be able to play the latest games(BF2, Oblivion, CoD2) but not break the bank? Athlon 64 3200+ venice or higher, depending on the bank, with an nForce4 chipset, depending on the bank, an NVidia 6600GT video card. Quote: Do you have to use a 64-bit OS if you have a 64-bit processor? Nope. Think of 64-bit as an extention. Like adding an additional library to your project Quote: Spend a bit more on a less-noisy fan, you mean? BTW, how many fans do you need? I don't plan to do any overclocking. You need to find a balance between noise and cooling. This is generally attained through buying larger fans - 120mm (12cm) is the best bet. You move the most air with the least revolutions which leads to less noise. You typically want the following fans: That about sums it up. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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Quote: Intake fan. Less important than the exhaust, but still quite important. This will bring new air into your case and is typically at the front of the case. Hmmmm... I tried that, but it got the cpu temperature higher instead of lower... probably the intake fan disturbed the air flow through the case, so it wouldn't reach the cpu anymore. BTW, yes, I tried both rotation directions... --- |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Here's the optimal setup: ..whatever you do, though. Do NOT refer to the exhaust as the 'outflow' unless you are very ill and taking high doses of strong medication. In which case, it is excusable. Outflow.. pbhhht.. I should have just made my own diagram. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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OICW
Member #4,069
November 2003
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Well that fan on gfx card is actually part of it but with that damned heatsink my friend has, it blocks the PCI slot, but nowdays it's not a problem. [My website][CppReference][Pixelate][Allegators worldwide][Who's online] |
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Pravit
Member #5,648
March 2005
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Thanks for the advice, everyone. What do you say to these choices? AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3700BNBOX - Retail GIGABYTE GA-K8N Pro-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail eVGA 512-P2-N435-AX Geforce 6800GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Yeah, the fan on the video card blocking the top PCI slot has been an issue for quite some time now. Primarily on NVidia cards and third party heatsink manufacturers. It's not really a problem these days, for two reasons. I use a third party zalman cooler. Very nice. [edit] I would just be a tiny bit weary about that motherboard. It doesn't seem like it's appropriate for your scenario. I would suggest the Chaintech VNF9 Ultra. SLI isn't particularly useful, costs more, and it creates problems in terms of board layout. That board isn't the greatest overclocker, but that's probably not an issue for you. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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For video card: MSI NX7800GT-VT2D256E Lite Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail $365.00 Almost the same price but about twice as fast as 6800GT For CPU you might find a 144 series opteron. They have the same core as high-end AMD FX, only lower default frequency and a lot lower price (around $200). I know some people OC them up to 3.2GHz on air. I think ~2.8-3GHz is pretty much granted. __________ |
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Pravit
Member #5,648
March 2005
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Quote: That 6800GT might be a tad overkill, though.. but that all depends on what you want to spend. If there is a 256MB model available for a cheaper price you would likely be better off getting that. 512MB is still a little overkill.
I figured I wanted at least 512MB because it seems like every time I buy a new computer, my hardware ends up being obsolete within 1-2 years. So I figured I would get ahead of the game EDIT: HoHo, thanks for the video card suggestion! Quote: Chaintech VNF9 Ultra
I didn't find any VNF9 motherboards, but I did find a VNF4/Ultra: |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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My bad, I meant VNF4 PCI is slow and old. On another note, the memory on a card does not directly affect it's performance. Higher memory typically improves performance in high resolutions with high settings and FSAA. Without these features you don't see much of a performance improvement after 128MB. This is likely to hold true for a few more years. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Pravit
Member #5,648
March 2005
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Quote: On another note, the memory on a card does not directly affect it's performance. Higher memory typically improves performance in high resolutions with high settings and FSAA. Without these features you don't see much of a performance improvement after 128MB. This is likely to hold true for a few more years. Hmm. What should I be looking for in a video card besides memory? I'd like to run games at high detail for once, but to be honest I have trouble telling the difference between high and medium settings in games and it's probably not that important for me. |
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HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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7800GT is the second/third fastest card on the market now. It is currently a bit faster than x1800XL, future driver improvements might make XL faster. 7800GT is roughly $100 cheaper than XL. In about month or so x1800XT becomes availiablle and then it will be the third/fourth fastest. I think 7800GT is a quite good choise __________ |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Quote: What should I be looking for in a video card besides memory? Pipelines, pixel shader support, memory bandwidth, etc. There's really quite a bit to consider. I would suggest reading some reviews over at anandtech.com and seeing what they have to say. I am still a little behind on the newest generation of video cards. I'm still catching up on processors. I've been working with software too much to keep completely up to date with hardware "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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Quote: Pipelines, pixel shader support, memory bandwidth, etc. There's really quite a bit to consider. Well, with later cards pipeline count and/or clock speed is not something that defines speed very well, at least not when comparing ATI vs NVidia (has it ever been?). Previous generation (6800 from NV and x800 from ATI) you could compare pipelines but clock per clock NV was way faster and had more features. I suggest reading a bunch of reviews and decide then. When you are using Linux I suggest choosing something from NV, way less problems with drivers, also NV drivers are quite a bit faster in OpenGL. __________ |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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As far as Quote: I see! Another question: Do you have to use a 64-bit OS if you have a 64-bit processor? You need to use a 64-bit os if you want to utilize the 64 bit feature. I'm runing windows 32bit on my athlon 64 at the moment for lack of drivers for XP64 for a few of my devices. I disagree with Thomas's intel vs amd comparison to Nike My pair from 3 years ago was still in good condition when I got rid of them, only reason i ditched them is because my feet grew and I no longer fit into them |
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NyanKoneko
Member #5,617
March 2005
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Here's a tip. Write the purchase date of your sneakers in your shoes. That way you know when to toss them out. ----------------- |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Quote: I have my pair from a year and a half ago, and even though they are all dirty and icky, they are still comfortable and in one piece, I have two pairs of Nike's from nearly two years ago and they're still in very good condition. Those asian kids sure know how to make a good shoe! Anyway, yeah. Intel != Nike. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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NyanKoneko
Member #5,617
March 2005
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Intel didn't even mention AMD when they re-implemented the AMD64 instruction set as the EMT64 instruction set. I was displeased at Intel for not mentioning AMD, but then I got a Pentium M laptop anyways. ----------------- |
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Mars
Member #971
February 2001
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AMD outsold Intel on retail desktop systems in September in the US. -- |
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Pravit
Member #5,648
March 2005
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Hmm, I think I will go with the 7800GT, and I'll search around for reviews, too. Quote:
Those asian kids sure know how to make a good shoe!
No fair. There isn't anything underpaid white kids make that I can think of to counter with. |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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If money is no object, go with the 7800 GTX |
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