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Goodbytes
Member #448
June 2000
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=aU8DVCkNZzcc Not again . . . As of current reports, no one has been reported killed. Seems that three of the bombs were possibly duds... |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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My thoughts are that local english terrorist (not linked with far east terrorists) are using this to confuse and bring terror to the country, just like the anthrax attacks in USA. These kind of attacks are common after a great one, just like the replicas are common after a big earthquake. I hope the police will catch them fast to stop this kind of stuff. -- |
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Moving Shadow
Member #5,973
July 2005
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B*stards, give me 10 minutes alone with them and my weapon of choice. |
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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Yes, this is probably a copycat of some sort trying to ride the bandwagon, or subway train as the case may be. Quote: replicas are common after a big earthquake Earthquake... replicas? I suppose you mean aftershocks. -- |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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Oh, yeah. Forgot the (sp?) there. -- |
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Steve Terry
Member #1,989
March 2002
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Just a guess but possibly they were going to put the detinators in and the explosives later? Detinators don't do much, but they set off explosives, so why weren't any explosives present? In any case they didn't manage to do any damage, someone with the trigger probably got trigger happy... Ooops ___________________________________ |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Thank god the explosives didn't detonate. Now they can capture and interrogate the people responsible. |
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dthompson
Member #5,749
April 2005
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I'm in London now ______________________________________________________ |
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gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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http://www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?id=757903 Quote: Sir Ian said: "This is a tragedy. The Metropolitan Police accepts full responsibility for this. To the family I can only express my deep regrets." Does this mean he'll accept murder charges? Because I can understand policemen using excess force in stressful situations, but this - this was an execution, pure and simple. Shot in the head. Five times. At point blank range. While lying down on the floor. All hail the Plainclothes Ingsoc Death Squads. -- |
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ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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I heard he said that he was sad because of this, but that he was happy he wasn't a terrorist. Geez, that is what I say ironic. -- |
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SonShadowCat
Member #1,548
September 2001
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I love how cops can abuse their power and make the wrong choices but not get charged with anything in times like these. |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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"in times like these"? The officer shot him because there was a new protocol to kill terrorists on sight. He ran (for whatever reason) and was killed because he could have been a suicide bomber. It's a tragedy, sure, but nobody should run from the police in any situation. ESPECIALLY when the police are looking for terrorists. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Quote: I also missed the part about an officer shooting someone at point blank in the back of the head while they were lying on the ground. I have no idea which article that was in, but it wasn't in the article gnolam posted. It was on BBC news though, as well as all other news items I've seen and taped eye-witness reports. Quote: The officer shot him because there was a new protocol to kill terrorists on sight. He ran (for whatever reason) and was killed because he could have been a suicide bomber. It's a tragedy, sure, but nobody should run from the police in any situation.
You are forgetting two things: the man was a tourist (I know, starts with a t and ends in ist) and the police officers were plain-cloths police men. It's a very grave blunder but I can see from both sides how it came about. If he had been a suicide bomber (by the way, why are all bombers called `suicide bombers' nowadays?) and the police had hesitated or tried to disable him by shooting in his leg, he would have detonated. Tragic. On a different issue, last week I've seen a couple of tourists freak out in Prague's trams when asked for their ticket. That was mildly amusing, but also somewhat painful in light of what happened in London. |
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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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Quote: the man left a building the police was watching wearing a thick stuffed jacket. Fearing he might be carrying explosives, policemen followed him. The man realised he was being followed by people wearing plain clothes and tried to ignore them. One of them draws a weapon and the guy freaks out and makes a run for his life to a tube station. The police, fearing he intends to blow it up and detonate himself are in persuit and seeing no way to immobilise him decide to kill him to prevent him from detonating. Assuming this is an accurate report and not missing important details... They follow a guy and pull a gun because he wears a thick jacket, and shoot him because he becomes scared for his life.. This just scares me. I have a thick winter jacket as my only jacket (so not only do I wear it in the winter, but even when it starts cooling off/warming up), and I freak out easilly around strangers. I certainly hope some people lost their jobs and are facing murder charges over this. -- |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Eyewitness reports Quote: Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell station, told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man. "I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired." If the anti-terrorist police thought the same and he ran onto the train they must have thought he was going to blow himself up. In accordance with this they followed israeli methods and shot him in the brain to stop him. BTW: Jean Charles de Menezes (the victim) lived in London for 3 years and also lived in the slum area of Sao Paulo: Quote: But the BBC's Tom Gibb in Brazil said Mr Menezes' experience of Sao Paulo's slum areas meant that he might - on the contrary - have run in reaction to having a gun pulled on him. So, yes it was a serious mistake, but I can see both sides of what happened. |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Ok. The fact that they were wearing plain clothes really changes things. Wouldn't they shout that they are police and flash a badge, though? If two men came after me and revealed a firearm I would probably run, too.. but not if they flashed a badge. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Now I'm sort of scared to go to the UK, since it seems there is a huge problem with gun control. PS: If two people drew guns on me, I'd throw my hands up in surrender. What's running going to do? |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Nice one Matthew! It is still unclear whether they shouted they were police to the guy. He may have not believed them even if they did.. |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Quote: What's running going to do? Depends on your options and how far away they are. Either way, I see both sides of this now. Shooting people because they're suspicious seems a little crazy but if he had been a terrorist they would have saved (potentially) hundreds of lives. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Quote: What's running going to do? That's easy to say from the nice comfort of your arm chair and glass of brandy. When in panic, not everyone will think this way. Especially, if as the article mentions, the guy has been in the slums of Sao Paulo. After all, how hard is it to fake a police badge? ;-) Marcello |
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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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Quote: if he had been a terrorist they would have saved (potentially) hundreds of lives.
And if he had been the anti-christ, waiting for someone to come along to murder him to cast judgement on the world, they would've put us all in jeopardy. -- |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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There were no indicators that he was the anti-christ. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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What were the indicators that he was attempting to blow himself up? (hint: wearing a thick jacket and running from a weapon doesn't count ... plenty of people do that). -- |
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FMC
Member #4,431
March 2004
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Kitty Cat said: (hint: wearing a thick jacket and running from a weapon doesn't count ... plenty of people do that). Yes, it does under certain conditions. (hint: recurring tube blast count) Come on, if he had been a terrorist and he'd blew up everything, we (and the familys of all the dead) would now be blaiming the police for not having acted accordingly. [FMC Studios] - [Caries Field] - [Ctris] - [Pman] - [Chess for allegroites] |
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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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Quote: Yes, it does under certain conditions. (hint: recurring tube blast count) Not really. Last I knew, nobody was told to refrain from wearing a thick jacket or running from danger, or to even avoid the tubes because police might suspect you a terrorist. If the police really thought he was up to no good, they should've identified themselves as police and asked him to stop.. and if he became threatening, then pull their guns. Running away is not an admission of guilt to unspecified charges, so firing even after that (without proof of him putting others in jeopardy) would still be wrong. Why do you think there are foot and car chases? Quote: Come on, if he had been a terrorist and he'd blew up everything, we (and the familys of all the dead) would now be blaiming the police for not having acted accordingly. If he had been a terrorist intent on blowing everything up, I'm pretty sure there would be some other telling factors. And if not... well, sometimes bad things happen and you can't always stop it. -- |
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I didn't hear anything from where I am. I hope the police catch these guys too.
