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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: I have not yet seen a religious book claim God supports birds. See those feathery things on both sides? Chris: I'm not sure what you ment by the smilie.. But that response is what I find is a typical 'religious' answer.. It totally avoids the main statement/question. And still tries to prove your point... Maybe its just because Im very tired... but really... -- |
ank 2
Member #2,120
March 2002
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Firstly would you say that god has a plan and that everything that happans is because our omnipotent god wills it so. Therefore all existance is according to how god wants it to be. I thought this was universally accepted by all god fearing folk. |
kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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religion is stupid. it mostly bases itself on the fact that it can explain all in the universe that modern science cant explain, and if people cant understand that explanation then they must just have faith in that god made everything and there obvuiosly is a reason for it being made. this is mildly illogical becuase what if scientists could explain almost every last detail of the universe including how it was created and when it will be destroyed. will people need to believe in a greater power anymore if they understand everything about the universe? without mystery, there is no need for the supernatural and thus human-kind can become a master of their own destiny. of course, it is unimaginable to be able to understand everythign about the universe which i guess is why so many people would quickly deny what i am saying, but in theory it is possible. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: Firstly would you say that god has a plan and that everything that happans is because our omnipotent god wills it so. Therefore all existance is according to how god wants it to be. I thought this was universally accepted by all god fearing folk.
Um... maybe GOD Fearing folk... Thats a totally paranoid view. I think something/someone had to start it all off... but to stick around this long wathcing us screw up so much? No sentient being has that much patience -- |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: But that response is what I find is a typical 'religious' answer.. It totally avoids the main statement/question. How? The idea ank 2 is putting forth is that people back the said "It's God!" every time something happened they couldn't explain. I'm pretty sure if they observed the birds for a while, they'd notice they utilize those wings when flying. I don't know how my plumbing works; I don't attribute the water coming out of the faucet to God. I attribute it to turning the tap. People two thousand years ago were ignorant, not stupid. So what's this main question I'm missing? Quote: Firstly would you say that god has a plan and that everything that happans is because our omnipotent god wills it so. Having a plan doesn't mean you control all aspects of reality. We have our free will, and exercise it. You're really stretching your points here. -- |
Funklord
Member #467
June 2000
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Dragons are a fiction, Dinosaurs existed. Although I'd like to have a dragon as a pet... Dragons are not only known for size, ---------------------- Age is inversely proportional to how much drink you've had - Funklord |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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It;s the 'I have not yet seen a religious book claim God supports birds' part... Why would he not support birds? I still don't get what you meant. (Im quite tired... can't get to sleap...) -- |
ank 2
Member #2,120
March 2002
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>>it mostly bases itself on the fact that it can explain all in the universe that modern science cant explain Thats why man needs it less and less. Why do you think that the religious have tried to stop technological progress. Anyone know the churh tried to stop use of planes, trains or anything that could erode belief in the bible. |
Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Since you seem to be knowledge about this Chris, can I ask you a question? Say I lead a very good life and I am a christian, helping everyone and trying to be a good person. When I die will I go to heaven? Now: Say I lead a very good life and I am NOT a christian, helping everyone and trying to be a good person. When I die will I go to hell? If I will go to hell despite all my actions, then can I ask why? |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: Anyone know the churh tried to stop use of planes, trains or anything that could erode belief in the bible. ooohhh... w0w.. my brain just made a connection to another 'religious' type topic!!! Beaurocracy... Gotta love Beaurocracy! -- |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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My answer to RP is my last post; I'm simultaneously posting and coding, and it's just not working out Quote: Say I lead a very good life and I am a christian, helping everyone and trying to be a good person. When I die will I go to heaven? Yup. Quote: Say I lead a very good life and I am NOT a christian, helping everyone and trying to be a good person. When I die will I go to hell? There's room for variety in my response, but I'll be brief and say yes. Quote: If I will go to hell despite all my actions, then can I ask why? Because your actions don't amount to jack. I could quote to China and back how our own righteousness are as rags to the Lord. It's John 3:16 again; we go to Heaven because of God, not ourselves. You can't earn Heaven. Quote: Anyone know the churh tried to stop use of planes, trains or anything that could erode belief in the bible. That's nice. The Catholic church also endorses evolution, last I checked. If religious leaders want to block science, then they're idiots. Like I said, science hasn't contradicted Christianity once. -- |
ank 2
Member #2,120
March 2002
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>>Having a plan doesn't mean you control all aspects of reality. We have our free will, and exercise it. Its not merely the fact that god has plan its the fact that he is a perfect omnipotent being. He does not make mistakes. So we should be doing Exactly what he wants. But we have free will? This is a contridiction in terms(another one to add to the bible). |
Funklord
Member #467
June 2000
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Hmm.. so people understood flight 2000 yrs ago? - Father! how does that bird fly? ---------------------- Age is inversely proportional to how much drink you've had - Funklord |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: He does not make mistakes Didn't he have to create Woman because he made man imperfectly? (Lonely?) -- |
gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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So basically, all the people who have never heard of Christianity (think of those born before 0 BC!) should just go rape and pillage and murder because, hey, they're going to hell anyway? -- |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: He does not make mistakes. Really? God openly admits to making a mistake when he made Saul king, for starters. I honestly don't know where you get this Quote: Hmm.. so people understood flight 2000 yrs ago? Didn't Leonardo design a helicopter .... yeah; I know that was later, but I'm trying to make a point. Like I said, people were ignorant. Not stupid. Right, that's my lot. I'm out of here; toodles. -- |
ank 2
Member #2,120
March 2002
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>> Didn't he have to create Woman because he made man imperfectly? (Lonely?) Add that to the list of contridictions. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: Didn't Leonardo design a helicopter that wasnt 2000 years ago! more like a few hundred (5 ish?) -- |
nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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What would religion be like if there were no life after death? |
ank 2
Member #2,120
March 2002
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>> Really? God openly admits to making a mistake when he made Saul king, for starters. I honestly don't know where you get this If god is omnipotent he cannot make a mistake. Your adding more and more contridictions to the dabate. |
gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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Interesting fact: the "founder" of Christianity, not Jesus (who was a Jew) but Paul, thinks that his words are better than those of God himself! (Gal 1:8) "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him!" -- |
Funklord
Member #467
June 2000
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Quote: Didn't Leonardo design a helicopter ....
No, he tried to, but failed. Did leonardo live 2000 yrs ago? ---------------------- Age is inversely proportional to how much drink you've had - Funklord |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: If god is omnipotent Did I say he was?!? -- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Yeah.. I gotta do a ton of tedious Win32 API stuff... I think Im done. -- |
JaTeR
Member #2,088
March 2002
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Quote: Say I lead a very good life and I am a christian, helping everyone and trying to be a good person. When I die will I go to heaven? yes. Quote: Say I lead a very good life and I am NOT a christian, helping everyone and trying to be a good person. When I die will I go to hell? 23 said yes. It actually depends.. on one hand if you are a brazillian jungle person that has never met a missionary and knows nothing about God, but still believes there is something out there that controls everything and will save you. yes, you will go to heaven.. I think in Romans it says that the if the jews sin under the law, they will be judged under the law. and if a gentile (someone who knows nothing about God) sins outside of the law, they will be judged outside of the law. but if a gentile obeys God's law without actually haveing it. they will be a law unto themselves and will go to heaven. on the other hand. if you reject God and all and try and be good. you will burn in hell. (to be blunt) is that what you were gonna say 23? Quote: If I will go to hell despite all my actions, then can I ask why? because it has nothin to do with your actions. its your beliefs that count. JaTeR
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