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nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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100 posts and no flame war, nice! |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: I agree. However, ... heck. It could all be some one's halucination.. [edit]X-G: I deffinitly agree[/edit] -- |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Did anyone else read about that discovery in the news of a stone dating from the 1st century AD that had jesus name carved into it? |
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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What, biblical graffiti? -- |
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Torbjörn Josefsson
Member #1,048
September 2000
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Atheist here, non practicing, though It seems strange to me that people who do not believe in supernatural things are defined as deviant (from the norm): atheists = non god-believers. Does it make sense to define me according to something that I simply have nothing to do with? How about: non-public-defecator? non-levitator? non-white? non-man? -YES! My goal IS to make the term 'atheist' into a non politically correct phrase! Don't mean to offend - it's interesting to discuss this - now if only I could keep my big mouth shut.. fat chance Well, I guess in a couple of decades believers will be described as a-atheists /'person going to hell for no obvious reason'
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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You mean you're a non-mouth-shutter? -- |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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RP: I made a big edit up there for you (five new posts before it was done; you guys are nuts -- |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Sorry CB, but that's REALLY tenuous evidence there. If you look closely at things you can see patterns into almost anything. I need to see some hard evidence before I'm swayed even slightly towards the creation idea. |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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If it's tenuous evidence, it's tenuous both ways. What patterns? What are you talking about? -- |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Atheist/realist. I don't believe in a god or upperbeing, and from a scientific point of view find the postulate of such an entity dubious. Of course I'm not saying that there is no such thing as a God, since I can never hope to prove such a thing. It goes without saying (I hope) that I respect the believes of others. BTW, realist is by no means intended to imply that people who are not atheists cannot be realists. Edit: what does this have to do with people being programmers in the first place? Edit 2: I don't really consider myself a programmer. I'm a physicist, with programming as one of my hobbies. |
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ank 2
Member #2,120
March 2002
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This has been most intreasting. About two people from this thread have admitted to creationist views in 110 replies. Thank You Programmers. Science has given you the computers in front of you. What has that bible given (apart from war)? Religion was created in a time when the people did not understand why the sun rose, how a child was created, how the birds flew. Guess what? Now we know all these things, we have less need to believe. As we find out more we will believe even less. We are evolving. PS: I am glad people have stayed away from personal attacks and got on with the discussion. |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Well.. A biblical flood is not the same as an ice age. etc.. Sorry, but you did ask. |
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SonShadowCat
Member #1,548
September 2001
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Im with 23 here when he says read A Case for Christ, its a pretty good book and gets you thinking. |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: A biblical flood is not the same as an ice age. Never said it was. Quote: Dinosaurs are not the same as dragons. Explain. Quote: if you believe evolution then men were not alive when dinosaurs were. Ah, but as I have said (and could continue to say) there is plenty of evidence that they DID know about dinosaurs. Paintings of dinosaurs have been found in Aboriginal caves, cultures worldwide mention dragons in their ancient history (do you think they all thought the same thing up?), etc. "if you believe evolution", but I don't Quote: the people did not understand why the sun rose It doesn't rise Quote: how a child was created Children are created from DNA. How was DNA created? Quote: how the birds flew I have not yet seen a religious book claim God supports birds. See those feathery things on both sides? SSC: you surprise me; you've read it? I agree it's not conclusive, but it does get you thinking ... -- |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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>> Im with 23 here when he says read A Case for Christ, its a pretty good book and gets you thinking. Sure, I might try it. Out of curiosity have you read any books that argue against the existance of god? |
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miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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Quote: Religion was created in a time when the people did not understand why the sun rose, how a child was created, how the birds flew. You're right. But although science can explain most phenomena, it can't explain everything. Like death and what comes after it. That's why these days most people who find god, it is when they're diagnosed with cancer or some other terminal disease. In the age of science that is just about the only time when one has the need to beleive in something supernatural (i.e. god). -- |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: Out of curiosity have you read any books that argue against the existance of god? Personally, yes (mostly online). Most of it is pretty uninformed; I can't say I recall seeing a major arguement that hasn't been rebutted a million times before. Not to say Christianity is without flaw, of course -- |
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Funklord
Member #467
June 2000
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People should believe in whatever they want, God has nothing to do with science, since he has not yet been proven, nor disproven. In order to prove or disprove god, a real definition for it has to be made, and none exists yet. ---------------------- Age is inversely proportional to how much drink you've had - Funklord |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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Okay, heres what i've found out so far, correct me if i'm wrong(i'm sure you will;) In II Kings 2-23/24 we read about God sending 2 bears to maul 42 children to death for the sin of calling a guy bald. Is this the Christian morality concept we hear so much about? Prayer? According to Christians, God created everything, God knows everything, God is all good, and God is omnipotent. Most Christians will tell you that something happened due to God's will, and it is wrong to question god. Say you break up with your significant other after a long relationship, it hurts very badly. It hurts so badly you cry all night, barely eat anything during the day and other negative things may occur because of this. You decide to pray to God and ask him to take the pain away. "Dear lord, please take my pain away." Since your pain is god's will, you are asking him to go against his will, and therefor you are questioning God, hence sinning. Basically you are telling your "great creator" of which who knows everything, that he actually does not. Every single time you pray and ask for a change, you are telling God that his will is wrong and that he should change it to convenience you, someone, or something that directly or indirectly affects you. How selfish of you! If you are praying to give thanks, remember that god already knows if you truly are greatful to God or not, so prayer is not needed. If you still insist on praying to give thanks, also remember that God also knows every word you are going to say before you say it. Prayer is useless and sometimes a sin. |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: In II Kings 2-23/24 we read about God sending 2 bears to maul 42 children to death for the sin of calling a guy bald. Is this the Christian morality concept we hear so much about? Elisha. I know the passage. It takes all of 2 verses, so who knows what happened (what kind of insult is "Go up, go up" anyway ?!?). There's also the matter of Elisha's authority; God hearkens to the Word of Man on many occasions. Now, can you tell me why? On prayer: God never said he'd baby us. Quote: Since your pain is god's will, you are asking him to go against his will, and therefor you are questioning God, hence sinning. You're logic is flawed in assuming that everything in existence is according to God's will. Wanna back that up? Quote: remember that God also knows every word you are going to say before you say it. Yup, that's biblical. It's also true that of all the miracles Jesus performed, the person being healed had to explicitly ask first (even an obviously blind man). You're not really making any points here ... -- |
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Funklord
Member #467
June 2000
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#define GOD "Funklord" Any objections? ---------------------- Age is inversely proportional to how much drink you've had - Funklord |
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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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Hmm? I thought you indicated that you equated ice ages with the flood: Quote: Both admit the Earth was covered in water (Ice Age/Noah's Flood) The reason I said that dinosaur's aren't dragons is: Dragons are supposedly large reptiles with wings who in some myths can fly and breath fire. Dinosaurs are a vast multitude of different dinosaurs, from creatures the size of dogs to ones bigger than buildings. Their shape is also widely varied. Now, I can see where people call them dragons, but then I could say that humans are apes because they have the same basic shape.
anyway, I don't want to start a flame war. Can't we make our own religion? All pay homage to the prophet Peter Hull!! |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: Dragons are supposedly large reptiles with wings who in some myths can fly and breath fire. Nope. The Leviathan swam, couldn't fly, and breathed no fire. Dragons come in a huge variety; they mirror dinosaurs exactly. Quote: I thought you indicated that you equated ice ages with the flood No, just pointing out an (admittedly general) case of a non-contradiction. -- |
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JaTeR
Member #2,088
March 2002
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score another for Christian. I have to say. holy shnikeys! you people have posted over 120 posts in 3 hours! gosh! JaTeR
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You asked about contradictions; I suggested there were none. Do you know of any?
