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Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001
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By the way, it is quite funny how Americans are so "religious". God save these and God save them. God save a little bit of this too. However, for example, the church attendances are a lot lower than they claim. I've heard that 50% claim to go to the church on every mess while the actual percentage is around 10% (no, this is not in the article snippet below, it was another article I even used as a source for an essay on this subject a few years ago). You can see God's name everywhere. Everyone wants to say his name, but their words remain follow. People sure don't act as they preach. It seems that it has become more like a filler word nowadays. God (the word and the object) is heading for an inflation! One article I was able to find to this dire need: Quote: Although 59 percent of all Americans say religion is "very important" in their lives (down from 75 percent in 1952), 42 percent say they are in church on Sundays. During the September 11 crisis, attendance went up five percentage points and then dropped back. Some, such as sociologist C. Kirk Hadaway, say actual numbers are closer to 20 percent. The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center guesses true attendance hovers at 30 percent. The 2001 American Religious Indentification Survey, released in January, says more than 29.4 million Americans have no religion - double the number 11 years ago. That's 14 percent of the nation, up from 7.5 percent in a similar 1990 survey. - Washington Times, Julia Duin Quote: As people evolve things are changeing very fast. Compare now to a hundred years ago when people took religous word literally. Hm, I also find it a bit disturbing that the religion "evolves" too - text in the bible changes. Basically it's like a cut'n'paste book where you put stuff appropriate for the current era. But shouldn't the base of a religion remain constant and untampered? It is the same religion anymore as it was aeons ago? And no, this is no flamebait. -- |
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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If you want to piss off a christian here's a good one. A friend made it. |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: I think someone should remember my theories from the last time I was appeared in a religius debate here. Most athiest theories about Christianity (and religion in general) tend to have little weight, are not well researched (if researched at all) and generally serve to give the athiest an excuse for rationalizing his own views. For an example, read the archived debate here. Lots of pet theories for the Athiest side, no actual facts. I agree with Inphernic, that people follow God in word and not actions. It's pretty sad Quote: text in the bible changes. The Bible is 99.5 textually pure from the day it was written. Some cults change texts (the Jehovah's Witnesses are notorious for it) but we have way too many historical documents (over 24,000 for the New Testement alone; 8000 of which are in the original Greek) to back up the current text. -- |
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Ultio
Member #1,336
April 2001
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I couldn't say what I am. I guess you could say I'm skeptical about the whole (Christian)religion thing. I was raised to believe in it, and probably did for a while. Now I kind of stand ... undecided I suppose (if that's possible The only problem I see with religion is there's so many of them, and most people believe in what they do beceause they were raised that way. I'm sure there ARE converts to other religions.. which suggests some people just "choose" what's best for themselves. Another problem thing is... which one is "right"? All of them? One of them? None of them? There's just so many, it's hard to place any fact on anything in this situation. I would say don't bother arguing about it. --- |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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>> I've heard that 50% claim to go to the church on every mess while the actual percentage is around 10% Religion will not just disappear. Do you know that there was a time when people believed in Zesus? People are breaking more and more of the rules all the time and not caring. How many believers have sex before marriage. And look at the divorce rate. |
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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We're already off-topic. We were supposed to just state what we were, not argue back and forth. I can feel the flame war coming ... -- |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: We were supposed to just state what we were, not argue back and forth We're not arguing. I haven't seen any disagreement at all Besides, Matthew's gonna lock it anyway, so who cares if we're good or not, really -- |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: generally serve to give the athiest an excuse for rationalizing his own views
Quote: GOD SAVE ME!!!! My ass. You don't need to go to church to belive or whatever. The main 'Pro' of being a beliver is 'comfort'. It helps you live. (IMHO) And thats not limited to beliving in GOD. If you belive in 'something' (ie: science), It keeps you waking up every day. -- |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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>> I can feel the flame war coming ... Maybe not. Because most people here are overwhelmingly Atheists. Most people here have taken an argument and given a logical answer. |
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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It would be great if everyone just left all religius shit and just be themselves. I don't think the world would be much different. Except that suicides would be alot more popular. But there too much ppl on this planet anyway. Well, my theorys involved gods that programmed our reality. And coming to heaven would mean they made a robotic body so you could live with them. And if the gods really like you they'd give you admin rights in our reality. Isn't that the best and most easy to understand religion? |
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MageMog
Member #2,668
August 2002
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Quote: Besides, it's religious discussion
er... so you are still not "just stating what Quote: We were supposed to just state what we were, not argue back and forth
I'm dumb!... I found that odd too... people these
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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It's just a matter of time. This WILL turn into a flame war, sooner or later. -- |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: Same can be said for most religious persons. No doubt, but it's a bit different. Take Trezker; he offers a view that allows him to dismiss all religion. A person following one religion can't do that. He needs reasons to follow that one in particular. Even for "brainwashed" believers, the differences are there. Quote: You don't need to go to church to belive or whatever. Exactly! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going into a garage makes you a car, as they say Quote: And if the gods really like you they'd give you admin rights in our reality. Isn't that the best and most easy to understand religion? I assume that's tongue in cheek -- |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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>> I can't resist I'm with you there 23 I think that the main thing is to separate god from religion. Belief in religion needs god but belief in god does not require belief in a religion. |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Yeah. I belive. But Im not sure what exactly it is I belive in... I mean to prove my scientific theoretical views there'd have to be some one/thing to have started it all off (somewhere). But If I was to 'religiously' -- |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Actually, one note. In the last thread, Derezo implied I was afraid of my views being challenged or something. I love debating this stuff in fact, and since Matthew is going to close this (don't pretend otherwise) I'll just say anyone who wants to can take this to e-mail if you really want to talk about this subject -- |
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MageMog
Member #2,668
August 2002
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hmm... riiiiiiiiiiiight....
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: I'll just say anyone who wants to can take this to e-mail if you really want to talk about this subject Um... not if you're anything like the guy I met last year at school... Ughhh... lets see if I can find his website... [url http://www.wotw.info] Yup. thats it. The guy got very protective... sheesh. -- |
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Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001
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Quote: Do you know that there was a time when people believed in Zesus? Do you know that it's Zeus, not Zesus? Quote: How many believers have sex before marriage. And look at the divorce rate. And I quote myself: Everyone wants to say his name, but their words remain follow. People sure don't act as they preach. Quote: You don't need to go to church to belive or whatever. Oh yes, I completely forgot that one! Even the Jesus said something like that there's no need for churches - as long as the religion is in your heart. -- |
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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I don't believe in anything, I don't trust anyone and I stand for one thing, to stand for nothing. I live my life doing what I find interesting and with the hope that some day a god will chat with me and straigten things out so I know what to do to come to heaven. Until that day comes I stick to the belief that you just dissappear when you die, and magic is the only thing in our universe that cannot be explained. But I'm good at making up theories. |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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Exactly, there must be "something" but I don't believe its religion (too illogical). Humans don't understand so they have to invent something. Remember when people thought the Sun revolved around the Earth? We will understand one day. |
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Goodbytes
Member #448
June 2000
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I believe in God. Add one to the Believers' side. |
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Remember "The lifters guide to the galaxy"(I'm swedish mkey) Where Arthur Dent found out that earth was a computer built by the rats and designed by that planet building ppl. Later(I think) He found out that humans were the ppl of another planet, on wich they were not wanted. |
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Member #2,120
March 2002
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>>I believe in God. Add one to the Believers' side. Thats....Two? I think that there is enough votes for things to be "fair". And things seems to be going in a certain direction....... |
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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Eh, there were primitive man-like creatures in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (;)) before the other people got there. They were just made extinct by the unwanteds. You know, the ones they tried to teach Scrabble? -- |
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