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juvinious
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I noticed the effects of coffee at the morning. Haven't drinked it for months though. I just used it sometimes when I was really asleep and needed to pretend a little "active" at some moments. But for keeping myself awake, sometimes I found that working efficiently is all I need for keeping myself awake. It's the inspiration and dedication that keeps pushing you forward. Things like caffeine have an artificial effect, which might have pretty similar results, but it'll last only for a time, and you can't justify your success to yourself, but to coffee ::)

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Derezo
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juvinious said:

Sol Invictus

Indeed. ;D

Today I burnt Season 3 of Dora the Explorer for my niece today and was watching it with her, having never really seen a full episode before. That show has interesting stuff in it. One of the episodes that is on there is all about "waking up the Sun", and she's watching it now (on the day of the sol invictus festival). For those who do not believe in a collective consciousness, this is random chance. I don't think it's so simple.

On Friday a friend was talking to me about the Mayans drinking poisoned water in a movie. Today my mom says "I just saw on TV a show about how the Mayans all died off because their leader poisoned their water supply" after I had been reading about Kukulcan's white skin and "blue eyes", which seemed an odd thing for the Mexica cultures to pay worship. Did they know the East was coming, and so sacrificed themselves? They were big on suicide, it was the "ultimate form of death" in their culture, similar to the Japanese.

I believe in what Richard Dawkins says, but I think it still applies to religions. However, some religions are designed, while others evolved, and he doesn't really seem to notice that aspect because he focuses so much on Christianity, Judaism and Islam. The three biggest religions, and also the most corrupt. So even though I believe in Richard Dawkins, I still belive in stuff like this:

Rabbi Gabriel Cousens, M.D. said:

"The 2012: Biography of the Time Traveler helps us understand not only Jose Arguelles as a leading luminary of our times, but also helps us go beyond clock (machine time), which keeps us enslaved in the matrix. His work not only of the Mayan factor, which gives us an overview of the time cycles, but also on the Time and Technosphere: The Law of Time in Human Affairs, establishes an awakening dialogue to help people break out of the artificial and disconnecting time of the matrix in which the vast majority of people are enslaved. When one is disconnected from their natural holy time, as expressed by the Divine through astronomical bodies, we become disconnected from our soul. Jose's valiant and visionary quest, as described in this biography creates the artistic and inspirational metaphors for helping us become socially, psychologically, psychically, and ultimately spiritually liberated as we transition from the predatory culture of death into the heart-centered, inter-dimensional consciousness, and natural flowing Culture of Life. In this context, this book and Jose's life is a testimony to the glory of God expressing itself through the human in the upward spiral of the play of Consciousness."

Afterall, the clock and the calendar used were all perpetuated by the church and are based on seemingly arbitrary information of no importance to anyone who uses it... but cultures like the Mayans, Native Americans, Australian aboriginals, etc all used astronomical events to measure time -- the moon and the stars.
The lights in the darkness.

Anyone else seeing a pattern here? Or am I still schizo? ;D

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Matthew Leverton
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Where do you think we get our day, month, and year from? ???

Bruce Perry
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Incidentally, the Chinese word for 'week' is 星期, or 'star period'. A plausible theory for our seven-day weeks is that there are seven objects in the sky that are visible to the naked eye and move relative to the stars: the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Reference

Derezo said:

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Sorry, I think I missed the thrust of your post. It's interesting reading but I couldn't see what conclusion you were getting at.

By the way, resistance is futile.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Am I the only one who finds Dora to be absolutely neurotic?

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William Labbett
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the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Reference

Very likely.

Wednesday in French is Mercredi (compare with Mercury)

Friday is Vendredi (Venus)

Satuday (Saturn) is Samedi (Saturn)

Tuesday - Mardi - (Mars)

Monday (Mon -> moon) is Lundi (compared with lune which means moon in French).

Thursday - Jeudi - Jupiter

Sunday - sun - dimanche in French (which leaves me wondering).

Derezo
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Where do you think we get our day, month, and year from? ???

The months and years are abstracted away from the original moon calendar, but unlike the cycles of the moon they have been molested over the centuries (by Catholic priests, no less! :o). The names are often misleading, or even inappropriate and unimportant. September represents the 9th month, but as everyone should be aware simply from the form of the word it represents the number 7. August is named after a king/emperor/leader guy, as is July. These things are of negative consequence, even if only slight.

The months are unequal and misaligned, most unlike the cycles of the moon, and the patterns seem arbitrary. 30 days has September, April, June and November? All the rest have 31? ..except February, the retarded one? ::)

The number used for the year is based on the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, though we know it's a little off, and why try to make everyone on the planet base their time on that one guy? Was it something they think he spread in his teachings, like giving gifts and putting up trees on his birthday, or having the magic rabbit hide his eggs?
They patch it up with leap years on a regular basis, changing the pattern again.. but the year itself does not change, only our perception of it.

So, could anyone correct me and tell me why it makes sense to use it, other than "because everyone else does"? :-/

A plausible theory for our seven-day weeks is that there are seven objects in the sky that are visible to the naked eye and move relative to the stars: the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

Indeed. The 13-moon calendar also uses 7 consecutive days and some of the old Mayan calendars used markers of 7 as well (in conjunction with other markers). I don't have a problem with that so much, they are repetitive and cyclical with a beginning and an end which remains constant, and as you said they're based on astrological bodies.

"The hands of the clock,
They hold back the time.
Without the clock,
There's no reason why."

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Bruce Perry
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Derezo said:

These things are of negative consequence.

Why?

It doesn't take a great deal of mental capacity to learn that September is the ninth month, especially as we don't use 'sept-' for much else. If September having been displaced from its position as the seventh month were a problem, I'm sure we wouldn't have done it. People seem to have more trouble learning when to use apostrophes, eh Matthew? :) Is it logical that the possessive "its", "theirs", etc. have no apostrophe while "one's", "Bob's", etc. have one?

I think having names for the months gives them a feeling of colour that you otherwise wouldn't get. It also inspires curiosity: you might wonder where the names come from and look up some history, which can be an awesome activity. With the right attitude, these things can be very positive.

(In various Asian countries, the months are called 1月, 2月, 3月, 4月, 5月, 6月, 7月, 8月, 9月, 10月, 11月 and 12月, where 月 also means moon. Of course, they more than make up for this by having all those exciting characters.)

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So, could anyone correct me and tell me why it makes sense to use it, other than "because everyone else does"? :-/

No, I think that is the only reason, although plenty of people will feel attached to the current names and would object to a change for sentimental reasons. Have you ever had people argue another reason?

It strikes me that you're identifying what you see as imperfections in the way the world has developed, and then you're expressing it as a problem and hoping people will agree and maybe share your pain. Nothing you said is untrue, but I think you might be developing a destructive attitude that won't ultimately serve to help you or anyone else.

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William Labbett
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My theory is that September is seventh month after the start of the Muslim year. (February 9 AFAIK).

These things don't hold any great significance.

Matthew Leverton
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My theory is that March used to be the first month of the year.

William Labbett
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I've done the maths now and I see your logic is sounder than mine. Still I could say that I thought since the Muslim's had something to do with it they inevitably miscounted, but I didn't mean it like that.

Another thought though : Jesus was ressurected in March, so perhaps they used to count from Easter ?

Thomas Fjellstrom
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My theory is that March used to be the first month of the year.

Wasn't it April? There's a reason April 1st was turned into "April Fools day" oh so long ago.

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Derezo
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Not to a massive extent.

Of course not -- we made it this far. I did say it was slight (in an edit). ;D

I think you might be developing a destructive attitude that won't ultimately serve to help you or anyone else.

Dumping the calendar is not destructive behaviour, and there is a culture and following behind it with support materials for doing so. It's not much of a requirement these days to follow it with automatic payments, automatic deposits, automatic withdrawals.. what do you need to follow the Gregorian calendar for other than financial purposes?

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I think having names for the months gives them a feeling of colour that you otherwise wouldn't get.

I'm fine with naming them, and the 13-moon calendar does name the moons -- and the years. The names change every year, and they work on a big cycle which eventually loops around again.
The names on this one make no sense to me, even given their history :(

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It also inspires curiosity: you might wonder where the names come from and look up some history, which can be an awesome activity.

I was curious, but then once I found out it was a bit of a let down. It's named after a guy who claims to be the voice of God on earth, it's months have been edited and don't make as much sense as they might have at some point in the past before some redesigns.

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With the right attitude, these things can be very positive.

I don't think that truly helps.
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Positive thinking without action about a negative influence can be self destructive, even if only slight.

Though you'll find lots of positive thinking in that pseudoscience humdrum called The Secret ;)

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Ron Novy
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After reading the OP... I get it, and to be honest I think you're all a bit crazy.

But Derezo, your obsession with this idea along with the other symptoms you described in the original post are all probably caused by your previous, or current use of marijuana. You've described the symptoms of some habitual pot smokers that I've known in the past and now your going through the OCD phase. ::)

Just learn to let it go and focus on the more important things in your life.

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Bruce Perry
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Derezo said:

Positive thinking without action about a negative influence can be self destructive, even if only slight.

Where's the negative influence? I can see it exhibits one in your mind, but where is it for everyone else?

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William Labbett
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I can see Derezo's view. The whole time thing sucks as it is. It's confusing and consequently a cause of mental problems for everyone.

I think they should abolish Christmas too because it's too repetitive.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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Somebody who knows something about ears knows nothing about you being crazy.

How about people who hear voices?

And I remember reading that February is the shortest month because the Romans considered it unlucky, so clipped it to reduce the period for good luck to return. Myself, I consider high heating bills to be unlucky.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Derezo
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Ron Novy said:

But Derezo, your obsession with this idea along with the other symptoms you described in the original post are all probably caused by your previous, or current use of marijuana

I'll give you that ;D I became aware of this as well, and it's why I quit the stuff and decided to be more careful with it, and treat it with more respect than I had been. I was using 1-2 times per day at one point, which was excessive. I used for less than a year though.

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Just learn to let it go and focus on the more important things in your life.

Indeed I spent too much time looking into this stuff and learning about it, but there's no letting it go now. I have absorbed far too much knowledge about this stuff. I am focusing on more important things, but I haven't thrown my ideas out to a group like this before and really wanted to dump my thoughts out somewhere ;D Lucky you guys!

Where's the negative influence?

It is a difficult topic, which is why this calendar has stuck around for so long. The work of Richard Dawkins goes into great detail about memes, contagious ideas, and such. Other figures like Daniel Dennett talk about it as well from another perspective, even if he does breath heavily ;) They were not the first -- Carl Jung, Sigmond Freud, John Locke -- and they will not be the last.
The ideas heard, said and saw influence the mind and can affect the decisions of the host. No matter how slight, they can make an impact. On some people they make no impact, zen masters for example. On others they make a massive impact, toddlers for example. If you think it's 9, but you're saying it's 7, there will be something in your mind that is incorrect. If you notice it, fine. No big deal. You can correct it because you are aware of it. If you do not notice it, it can be abused. This idea is typically applied to things like marketing. Obama makes a lot of people think of pepsi. Why? Then why the Pepsi logo change when he's in office? A little more curvy. Hmm.

When that type of problem is spread throughout the masses it can be abused using coordinated, calculated, broadcast methods. This sounds like a conspiracy theory, but forget that. Conspiracy theories never end, there's one for everything. It is irrelevant to understanding what the true problem is. If everyone thinks it's August, that pattern inside your mind can be abused if you don't recognize what that pattern is. Each word and each letter in every language has a multitude of associations with it. Your brain makes patterns out of these associations and that's pretty much how we think and it affects how we form ideas. That's why mind games like this actually work on a lot of people.

So, in short, this calendar is keeping everyone on the same non-sense based on the birth of a man revered by many as personified God, but who was brutally crucified. This idea is perpetuated and each time the year increments a new number is jammed in our minds. The calendar was made by a man who's role involves holding the presumed savior on a stick and assumes himself as king of the Sun (note the crown) and the voice of God on Earth.

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It's a mind infection, and it's going to get worse before it gets better :(

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Ron Novy
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Take on a new hobby... or finish a project you've already started. That should distract you long enough for the long-term effects to wear off. The Tinnitus may take much longer to wear off for some and any sinus problems may be permanent...

[edit] seriously though. Don't think so deeply about all that stuff. 99% of the time it's a waste of time...

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Derezo
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April 2001
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Tinnitus is not from the pot :P
It's been around for a lot, lot longer.

It doesn't take a lot of time anymore to think about this stuff. Everything I post is almost entirely original ideas formed from what I've learned. It's even in the music I listen to. There are more like me where I come from.

I decided to get a job doing physical labour. Start tomorrow.

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Matthew Leverton
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Derezo said:

There are more like me where I come from.

Yes, and they are called pot heads. :-X

Bruce Perry
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April 2000

Right, I think I understand what you're saying.

Derezo said:

If you do not notice it, it can be abused. This idea is typically applied to things like marketing.

Do you have an example of a marketing person taking advantage of the "something in your mind that is incorrect" issue you raise with the Gregorian calendar?

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Obama makes a lot of people think of pepsi. Why? Then why the Pepsi logo change when he's in office? A little more curvy. Hmm.

The Pepsi company have decided to play on someone else's popularity by mimicking their logo. Where's the pre-existing "something in your mind that is incorrect" that made this possible? Is it not simply a marketing device that exists all by itself? How is this justification for disliking the Gregorian calendar?

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Your brain makes patterns out of these associations and that's pretty much how we think and it affects how we form ideas. That's why mind games like this actually work on a lot of people.

See the spoiler for my answer. For those who are interested in trying the game, please try the game out before you open the spoiler.

When asked to think of a tool and a colour quickly, I think people naturally go for something iconic, representative, easily visualised.

Where's the association in this game? Where's its negative side?

Why are you focusing on generally harmless imperfections in the Gregorian calendar (and similar accidents of history) just because they might be abused for marketing reasons, while there are many, many marketing ploys out there that are quite deliberate and don't rely on such accidents at all? If you're going to worry yourself with something so grand and difficult to control, why don't you instead simply focus on the fact that some people are driven to take advantage of everyone's weaknesses in the first place?

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bamccaig
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Thomas Fjellstrom
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It's too bad pot is known to permanently damage user's brains.

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