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So I went to the doctor...
Derezo
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While sitting in the waiting room they had a single TV with CNN on and the room was otherwise silent. Everyone was glued to CNN's gold line commercials, antidepressant commercials and Wolf Blitzer was talking to a bunch of people I didn't know about terrorism, diseases, political and economic turmoil, etc. It felt creepy.

I went in because I have tinnitus and a bit of "snow vision" and thought it might also be related to my odd psychological change. Once I got in to see the doctor I told him that I felt I was going crazy and explained the situation. I shit you not, he told me "I think you're the only person who has come in here today that has it bang on the money. It's all one big commercial selling greed and fear, and that's all it is."

We had a good talk, turns out I likely just need to oil up my ears some more. He suggested I stop making judgments on those who do not understand it, which seems to be the cause of some recent psychological distress.

But, I still want people to get the idea, naturally. So I decided instead to create a series of videos. Not directly related to the first paragraph of this post. I clipped together a short video today from a mix of genres with no commentary. I am interested in any opinions of how well the concept is received from the clips provided. I plan on making some more, eventually with commentary. This was conceived of and pieced together in only a day (and it's the only video I've ever made like this).

If you're interested, let me know what you think :) It's only about 12 minutes long.

Part 1: http://www.vimeo.com/8289764
Part 2: http://www.vimeo.com/8289878

Sorry about the volume changes in the audio between clips, I need to adjust it.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

bamccaig
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At first, I was fucking amazed you have a doctor. :o That would be sweet. Then, he turned out to be smoking the same shit you are... :-/

I have yet to watch the videos. ;D

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You may or may not have your parts backwards.

Derezo
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;D
I was shocked by what he said -- he was in a suit and had a gold cross 'round his neck. Caught me off guard, but as he said prejudice in that sense is what made reality difficult to deal with in the first place! :P

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You may or may not have your parts backwards.

No, but the order, length and content of the clips may seem arbitrary.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Derezo said:

TV with CNN on and the room was otherwise silent. Everyone was glued to CNN's gold line commercials, antidepressant commercials and Wolf Blitzer was talking to a bunch of people I didn't know about terrorism, diseases, political and economic turmoil, etc. It felt creepy.

I agree. Seeing people behave and react like drones is very disconcerting. :(

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Derezo
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It's even more disconcerting when you're in the middle of 1984 by George Orwell. :o

DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

;)

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bamccaig
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I've now watched the first video. Pleasant only because of the George Carlin clip. ;D The actual video is pretty much what I would expect to come out of a pothead. There was no point and no message. You could have at least began with a subject and ended with a conclusion. Instead, it's just a set of mildly, at best, related video clips mashed together at random. Worshiping the Sun is as ridiculous as worshiping any deity. As George Carlin pointed out, it's great material for making fun of those who worship deities, though. I don't care about the details, but I seem to recall you speaking of Sol (which I understand to be a representation of the Sun) as if it were the universe's true deity.

The thing that makes me think you've lost your mind is your conspiracy theory talk. I can't recall the name of the Armageddon you believe in (I think it starts with s?), but that in particular makes me think you're off your rocker. I've been called crazy for years though; probably longer than you, so who knows. At the very least, I know what it's like to question your sanity.

Derezo said:

I was shocked by what he said -- he was in a suit and had a gold cross 'round his neck. Caught me off guard, but as he said prejudice in that sense is what made reality difficult to deal with in the first place! :P

Your doctor sounds as crazy as you do. :-/ I think there's merit to questioning popular media and popular belief, but there's such a thing as taking it too far. Conspiracy is too far.

Derezo said:

No, but the order, length and content of the clips may seem arbitrary.

Ah, it was just the UI of the site. It had video 2 above video 1 and emphasized video 2, so naturally I assumed it was video 2 playing, whereas in fact it was video 1 playing. My Their mistake. :P

As for the universe, as Bill Maher put it, I don't know. It's OK to not know.

Derezo
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bamccaig said:

There was no point and no message. You could have at least began with a subject and ended with a conclusion. Instead, it's just a set of mildly, at best, related video clips mashed together at random.

My intention was to have the viewer form their own message from the concepts in the clips. The clips are unrelated on purpose and have no guiding commentary on purpose. George Carlin, one of the biggest "pot heads" by the way, explains the concept from his perspective which is one that I share. However, he discounts religions -- for good reason -- but I believe that religions were an important process in evolution (though many religions have been overthrown and no longer evolve but are instead intelligently designed).

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I seem to recall you speaking of Sol (which I understand to be a representation of the Sun) as if it were the universe's true deity.

You've chosen to relate it with a deity -- and the universe -- which is interesting. I do not relate it in that way. To me it is the object which has the largest influence on our planet, but is only present and visible half the time (though in the night it is reflected from the moon). I believe there are unknown forces at work in the influence which it has, and that our ability to experience here is directly related to the sun.. but that's just me.

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I think there's merit to questioning popular media and popular belief, but there's such a thing as taking it too far. Conspiracy is too far.

Indeed, it is. I would stop blaming "conspiracies" or whatever it is you're talking about. There is no conspiracy, it doesn't work that way. It is more of an organic, natural system.

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It had video 2 above video 1 and emphasized, so naturally I assumed it was video 2 playing, whereas in fact it was video 1 playing.

Order of upload, reverse chronological.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Mark Oates
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One of the more creepy things I experienced was at a shopping store. Just randomly, in the clothes department, a salesman set up a box and started demonstrating how "incredible" this set of knives was.

My initial reaction was "oh, geez... gotta get out of here". But then I saw like 10-20 people walk up like it was some kind of magic show, so I wanted to see how the audience reacted. The guy went on with the usual mantra "easy to use" "only $39.99" "comes with a free something-er-rather if you buy now" "this offer only for a limited time". It just sounded like white noise to me. :-/

Then he finished his last bit saying "I can take your payments here right now". And I swear, pretty much everybody bought the knife.

Who goes to the clothing section to get a FUCKING KINFE?

It was disgusting. :-[

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Derezo
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Wow. That reminds me of when my folks bought new windows. They got scammed by the guy but were unaware of it -- he did stuff like "called his manager" to "try and get a lower price" and acted sincere. Then he said they couldn't wait to decide on it, and had to act immediately to get the price his manager "approved". They were ripped off and paid double what they should have for a poorly done job.

You can't blame them, though. It's a form of sickness. Richard Dawkins has an awesome special called "Nice guys finish first" where he talks about cheats, suckers, and what he calls "grudgers".

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

bamccaig
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Derezo said:

George Carlin, one of the biggest "pot heads" by the way,...

I'm not completely against drug use. I think it can have harmful effects and that its use should be considered a serious matter, but it can also result in unique and interesting works. Drugs do alter your mind, however, and if you're constantly on them then you're unlikely to be thinking clearly. For the most part, I think it's humorous to attribute your seemingly irrational claims to drug use, but it's possible that you're either brilliant or crazy (or both). Or that I am. :o

Derezo said:

You've chosen to relate it with a deity -- and the universe -- which is interesting. I do not relate it in that way. To me it is the object which has the largest influence on our planet, but is only present and visible half the time (though in the night it is reflected from the moon). I believe there are unknown forces at work in the influence which it has, and that our ability to experience here is directly related to the sun.. but that's just me.

Can you summarize your rationale without requiring further reading? ??? I'm just curious. It seems every time you address it you point to work that I'm supposed to do to understand you. I'm just curious if you can give me enough on your own to consider what you're saying, instead of disregarding it as it seems everybody here has. :-/

Derezo said:

There is no conspiracy, it doesn't work that way.

Then what are you rambling about popular religions and popular media? It all comes across as conspiracy theories that you're labeling "not conspiracies".

I'm not saying you're crazy. I can't possibly know if you are. However, if you truly went to this doctor for a professional opinion on the matter, might I suggest a second opinion? I just think it would be interesting to see what the results are. Perhaps go to a psychologist that is more likely to know about "crazy" than a medicinal doctor. Maybe go to an American doctor, just to be safe. :-/

Personally, I would like to be examined by a qualified psychologist. I just don't expect to find any nearby and can't see myself being able to afford anything anyway.

And I swear, pretty much everybody bought the knife.

I've noticed trends like this in the majority of people I've met, but it seems impossible to derive any kind of justifiable conclusions from it. :-/

Matthew Leverton
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I hope you realize all doctors are specialists. Somebody who knows something about ears knows nothing about you being crazy. :-/

Trent Gamblin
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Ya, if I were you I'd see a pyschiatrist... I had some pretty insane theories too before I knew what was wrong with me (could be similar to what you're experiencing), and some of them turned pretty harmful to me... wish I would have been diagnosed sooner. I was around 23 when I was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Derezo
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bamccaig said:

Drugs do alter your mind, however, and if you're constantly on them then you're unlikely to be thinking clearly. For the most part, I think it's funny to attribute your seemingly irrational claims to drug use

I would not describe my claims as irrational, though many people who do not like the view presented by religions may relate it to religions and then say it is irrational by that relationship. I am brilliant, but that has little to do with it. ;) However, I will admit that I am not a very disciplined person, which does come across in my writings and in how I express my thoughts and ideas.

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Can you summarize your rationale without requiring further reading? ???

Doubt it. :P I came to this rationale by doing a lot of reading on a lot of controversial topics. In reading those topics and relating my post-marijuana experience with the figures who studied them I started to see something forming together and it became clear why much of it is controversial, including the use of drugs.

Some knowledge has the potential for being quite dangerous, and typically the stuff that is controversial falls into that category. Carl Jung researched a lot of interesting aspects of psychology. When he started writing about the psychological effects of kundalini yoga, aions, symbols and so forth and how they effect "reality" when combined with ideas like interconnected psyche and shared consciousness he was then labeled controversial. Before that he was just brilliant. These give rational explanation -- though complex -- for a lot of stuff that people perceive as "paranormal", "mysterious", "religious hokum" or "pseudoscience" such as psychics, spirituality, precognition, and even the placebo effect.

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Then what are you rambling about popular religions and popular media? It all comes across as conspiracy theories that you're labeling "not conspiracies".

I am uninterested in placing blame, which is what conspiracy theories are mostly for. Simply being aware of what is going on is all I'm doing. I stated a fact about what was on the television and what the response was of the people around me.

I say that television has changed and that it is now a non-stop commercial. There is no content of any interest, but people haven't caught on to that yet. Who is to blame is irrelevant -- you don't need to know who to blame. All you need to do is turn it off.

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I'm not saying you're crazy.

Why not? I do. If you start calling me normal somebody might catch on! ;)

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However, if you truly went to this doctor for a professional opinion on the matter, might I suggest a second opinion?

Although your medical advice is appreciated, I don't think that is necessary. I went to the doctor for an unrelated reason, but while waiting in the waiting room and experiencing my "crazy" again, I brought it up to him. He assured me that what I was referring to was in fact the opposite of "crazy"...

I really was kind of hoping I had psychological problems :( It would have been easier.. but I guess life is never easy.

Ya, if I were you I'd see a pyschiatrist...

Eek! Chemical lobotomy! ;)

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I had some pretty insane theories too before I knew what was wrong with me (could be similar to what you're experiencing), and some of them turned pretty harmful to me.

What I've been experiencing is quite similar to schizophrenia, but with one major exception. Schizophrenia is "seeing patterns where patterns do not exist" whereas I see patterns that very few people have become aware of. If I were schizophrenic it would be odd, because a lot of people tend to agree with me.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Trent Gamblin
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Yeah, it's so easy when the most important part of your body (your brain) doesn't work right.

Derezo
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No, that's not what I said. It would be easier to have a treatable mental condition than it would be for this to be a reality that we need to deal with and solve.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Trent Gamblin
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I'm not convinced that is not that case.

Derezo
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You're suggesting that what people are doing in the first paragraph of the OP is considered normal and should be what everyone strives towards?
:-/

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bamccaig
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I think it would be interesting to meet you in person. :-/ As long as we're in a brightly lit place with a crowd... :o

Trent Gamblin
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They were bored and had to wait there anyway. Might as well kill the time somehow, because staring at the wall isn't much fun and talking to strangers in a medical office is even more creepy.

Matthew Leverton
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talking to strangers in a medical office is even more creepy

Especially if Derezo is there smoking a joint for the sun-god. 8-)

Derezo
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bamccaig said:

I think it would be interesting to meet you in person. :-/

I met 23yrold3yrold at Tim Hortons when he was in this area of the country ;D

Trent: That is also true, but that doesn't explain why it is considered acceptable behavior. We're a species which is advanced enough to know that exposing yourself to that and/or accepting it as reality is very unhealthy and psychologically damaging. We also know that it creates depression, which sells depression medication, and creates fear, which raises the price of gold, so the motives of the business designing the programming is quite clear.

Intelligent design and evolution are both real, don't fall for that "you can only believe in one thing" Red VS Blue bull shit. The TV is intelligently designed, but we have evolved :)

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Trent Gamblin
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I dunno. If the doctor actually cared he'd remove the TV. I've personally not seen a TV in a doctors office (unless you count the dentist :P)... People are perfectly capable of watching that drivel and not letting it soak into their brain. Most people realize they're being tricked by the TV... it's common sense nowadays. But they put enough meat in there to make it somewhat entertaining (though CNN? No thanks!)

Mark Oates
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Tim Hortons, those are huge in Canada. You're takin me back to when I went through there.

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Trent Gamblin
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Wait, what? What is your affiliation with Canada Mr. Oates?

Mark Oates
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I toured through there three times. I believe... 1998, 2001, and 2002. Every two blocks there's another Tim Hortons. It was along the bottom east side at Niagara Falls.

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