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Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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OK then, War On Furniture it is! --- |
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Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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Tobias Dammers said: I read that as "I don't know how to fix the problem properly, so let's just pretend it isn't there".
Arthur Kalliokoski said: I read that as "I want a perfectly risk-free existence no matter what". Properly? That is a false ideology. With people willing to bring firearms here illegally and under the radar, there will always be a way for people to get weapons. Government has already made it clear that the properly they want to do is to take them from the people and make it where only the military/police are able to hold them. What I'm proposing, which I know won't happen because the states wouldn't want to put out the money to do it, is make background checks AND psychiatric evaluations mandatory for those seeking to get them legally because if you fail the psych eval then you lose your chance and are marked so you can't get one in any other state. Getting rid of the illegal gun smuggling out there will take more work. Dizzy Egg said: This thread is pathetic.
So is every other thread on this site
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Specter Phoenix said: make background checks AND psychiatric evaluations mandatory What's a psych eval cost? $2000? Making gun ownership out of reach for just about everybody. How about a psych eval to drive a car? Eris knows there are plenty of nutjobs endangering everyones life! They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: What's a psych eval cost? $2000? Making gun ownership out of reach for just about everybody. How about a psych eval to drive a car? Eris knows there are plenty of nutjobs endangering everyones life! That is easy. Destroy all of them and make everyone ride a bike or walk. Get this country back in shape.
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raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010
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Hello, nanny government. |
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Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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raynebc said: Hello, nanny government. Yep, that is why we get involved in other countries, because they can't rule themselves so we intervene and nanny them too.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Gunfire... camera pans up, guy with knife is still running around. |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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The idea I was trying to get across is that guns don't make somebody all-powerful, and it's very liberating to know you have options. "Captain of my fate, master of my soul" and all that. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: The idea I was trying to get across is that guns don't make somebody all-powerful, and it's very liberating to know you have options. "Captain of my fate, master of my soul" and all that.
Guns? When the hell have we ever started with guns? We bomb first to soften them up then send in waves of soldiers to pick the rest off in the name of democracy and peace.
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Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: The idea I was trying to get across is that guns don't make somebody all-powerful, and it's very liberating to know you have options. "Captain of my fate, master of my soul" and all that. I find it very liberating to walk around unarmed and trust the majority of my fellow citizens to have a general interest in a non-violent society. --- |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Tobias Dammers said: trust the majority of my fellow citizens Good luck with that! They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: Good luck with that! Been working fine so far. You see, most people here don't carry guns, and so far, all arguments I've had with anyone could be resolved peacefully, more or less. I have experienced some verbal abuse, and also dealt some myself, but the most violent situation I've ever been in was when I was extremely drunk, someone asked me if I had a light, and I threw obscene insults at him, and then he slapped me in the face. Yes, I know, anyone with a gun could kill me at any given time. Sure. And when I cross the street, a car could hit me. Or I could get hit by lightning, my food could be poisoned by a lunatic blackmailer, some dangerous animal could escape from the zoo and tear me to pieces, one of my colleagues could go crazy on me with a screwdriver, a terrorist could blow up the train I'm on... I refuse to worry about these improbable things, because a) it is pointless, and b) it would only make my life miserable. Fuck everything about that. I rather be free and die tomorrow than spend the next few years shivering and hiding behind my big ugly gun. --- |
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SonShadowCat
Member #1,548
September 2001
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So you're argument is, there are things in life that we can't defend against so lets not even defend ourselves from things that we can? I for one, and Arthur I think, will happily protect ourselves from what we can even if we can't protect ourselves from everything else. |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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My main point is not to let the "pacifists" ensure that only criminals have guns. As I said before, I'm too cheap to keep a gun, and don't think I need one, but the reason for not thinking I need one isn't because I trust my fellow man or cops. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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So apparently shooting at police is now legal in Indiana ... -- |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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23yrold3yrold said: So apparently shooting at police is now legal in Indiana ... If they bust your door down illegally, yes. It should have been that way all along. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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I agree, but reactions in this thread might be entertaining ... -- |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I think their problem is they're worried might get hurt if they defend themselves. Jewish couple at a Nazi firing line: Levi to soldiers pointing guns at them: You douchebags! You are cowardly racists! You're the scum of the earth! They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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SonShadowCat said: So you're argument is, there are things in life that we can't defend against so lets not even defend ourselves from things that we can?I for one, and Arthur I think, will happily protect ourselves from what we can even if we can't protect ourselves from everything else. My guess is that for most people, carrying a gun wouldn't actually grant any additional safety anyway. There really aren't very many situations where having a gun is going to save the day; and even in such situations, it's fair more likely that the gun-owner will panic, or just blunder through lack of training / experience. -- But really, like I said, this discussion is going no where. It's just a bunch of people announcing their opinions at one another with essentially no chance of anyone shifting their view. It's a bit like arguing about religion. -- The only people who might shift their view are the 'undecideds' who might be listening in. ----------- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I find Arthur's personal stories to be very compelling. I've switched my beliefs at least a half dozen times on this thread because of him. |
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Stas B.
Member #9,615
March 2008
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: I think their problem is they're worried might get hurt if they defend themselves.
I think they're more worried about stuff like this: This link is taken from an entry in the blog you linked to in another post. (http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2011/05/12/csgv-dumb-comment-of-the-day-plus-a-touch-of-eugenics/) Hillariously, the author actually used that as an argument for why people should be allowed to carry guns in Toys-R-Us. Only in America... |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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If your liberal media is allowed to cherry pick which stories they want to print in a country of 300 million people, I suppose you can make a case for gun control. NOT! [EDIT] Once again, cars are dangerous! I'd rather get shot than run over by two tons of steel going 55 mph. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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I tried to go back to the thread, "Why do you still come to Allegro.cc ?". I wanted to change my answer to Guns and Jesus. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Elias
Member #358
May 2000
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Derezo said: I wanted to change my answer to Guns and Jesus. I'm also wondering what happened. Two weeks ago there was hardly any posts, now the gun and religion threads of old are in full steam :p -- |
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