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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Blizzard is dead.

Diablo 3 doesn't even have a warrior class. What exactly am I playing? I know they wrote "diablo" all over it, but that's were the resemblance ends.

It looks like Dungeon Siege (and not any prettier.) And the worst of it is that the game looks cartoony. It seems that Blizzard has gone so far up its own ass that it puked out a comic book game.

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The draw of Diablo as a child was that it felt like I was killing the devil. I was a warrior/mage/rogue storming the dungeons of Satan himself, and tearing them a new butt hole. It felt real because it took itself seriously. But now, all of Blizzards games have been heading further and further toward exagerated proportions and cartoon-like animations.

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How exactly would a person fit in that suit? His whole body would be in the torso, and his arms would have arms.

I don't want WoW with "Diablo" written on the box. I want Diablo 1, redone.

But you know, as much crap as I give them, at least I'll be able to play with my friends over Battle.N--oh fuck me.

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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Well, it is perfectly acceptable to not enjoy some of their releases. I wont be playing Diablo 3 any more than I played WoW.

I've loved past Blizzard titles, especially the original Diablo and StarCraft. I don't expect them to continue that type of originality though -- they've been rehashing the same stuff since those days, but adding more dopamine-triggering achievements, graphics, and what have you. They've just been making the same brain candy sweeter.

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blargmob
Member #8,356
February 2007
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Blizzard is dead.

Wikipedia said:

- more than 11.5 million monthly subscriptions in December 2008

- World of Warcraft is currently the world's most-subscribed MMORPG, and holds the Guinness World Record for the most popular MMORPG by subscribers

ChaCha Q&A said:

$3.8 billion revenues and the highest operating margins of any major video game publisher.

mhmmm....

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Blizzard IS dead. It is now "Activision-Blizzard". And theres NO way you'll get any kind of originality or anything particularly interesting out of that behemoth.

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Quote:

Chris Katko said:
Blizzard is dead.
Wikipedia said:
- more than 11.5 million monthly subscriptions in December 2008
- World of Warcraft is currently the world's most-subscribed MMORPG, and holds the Guinness World Record for the most popular MMORPG by subscribers
ChaCha Q&A said:
$3.8 billion revenues and the highest operating margins of any major video game publisher.
mhmmm....

It was obvious that I wasn't referring to Blizzard's financial status. ::)

Blizzard, the company that we grew up loving because they made good games, is dead. They're nothing but corporate sods now. Which means we've lost one more of the last true PC game developers. It is the dawn of Xbox.NET. >:(

Also, on the same coin, many of the original Blizzard employees that made the games we love have quit or been fired.

Blizzard IS dead. It is now "Activision-Blizzard". And theres NO way you'll get any kind of originality or anything particularly interesting out of that behemoth.

Yes! I should have paid more attention when all of BlizzardNorth essentially quit. They didn't end up making really good games (they weren't business men, I guess) but the fact that the core Diablo team was like "Fuck you, Blizzard" should have raised my brow.

I miss BlizzardNorth, ThroughTheLookingGlass Studios (Thief, System Shock), Bullfrog (Theme Hospital and Dungeon Keeper), and Black Isle Studios. :'( I still have an Amercan McGee's Alice In Wonderland 2 to look forward to in the next 10 years though.

I just noticed this. Check out the censoring between the Beta and Release:
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Think of the children!

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I always thought that that cigar was odd and misplaced myself. For some reason it looks to me like theres a face shield there, and the cigar pokes through it. Could be wrong though.

Also, the cigar in that first one just makes him look a little like some ship captain from the 20s. Not exactly flattering. To me at least he looks more bad-ass in the second version.

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type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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How exactly would a person fit in that suit?

Their arms are robotic(humans fingers aren't in fingers of the suit, it's shown in some video, when they gear that crazy guy up), and I suppose about same with the legs..

Append: CIggaret for the win. In some video in original Starcraft a marine lifts up his "windshield", and it's all in smoke inside there cos' of a cigar. And that's damn cool!

Thomas Fjellstrom
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type568 said:

And that's damn cool!

I completely disagree ;)

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I always thought that that cigar was odd and misplaced myself. For some reason it looks to me like theres a face shield there, and the cigar pokes through it. Could be wrong though.

His face shield is up. You can see the rim at the top.

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(2 minute mark)

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blargmob
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February 2007
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His face shield is up. You can see the rim at the top.

There is still some glass between his face and the "camera". You can easily see the glare coming from various light sources.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Smoking is still bad ass in entertainment media. In real life, it's unhealthy and stupid. Part of the appeal of heroes is that they don't follow the rules. Most of them do their own thing regardless of what's "best". The thing is, we never have to witness them breathing through a tube in their neck. Smoking is cool in entertainment media. In real life it's foolish and outdated.

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Cigars

Hahaha

It even has more sources than many Wikipedia articles. :o

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Karadoc ~~
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September 2002
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I'm not ready to make a judgement about D3 yet; but I can say that some of those graphics and sound effects reminded me of Super Smash Bros.: Brawl. (and I think brawl is the weakest of that series...)

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Diablo 3 doesn't even have a warrior class. What exactly am I playing?

Diablo 2 didn't have a Warrior class either.

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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I completely disagree

I've so much to reply to you, that I don't even know what to start from.
First of all, it's up to the definition of what a "cool" is, there maybe various approaches. Unless they're(reasons why it's cool) bound to something specific, but psychologically general there's a good bunch of'em why it is cool.

That includes the said above regarding doing what's not supposed to be done, and ya hella shouldn't smoke in that suit, besides it looks funny cool!

Additional reason why it's cool, is cos' it really suits the situation:

While in a total war for complete annihilation versus a brutal alien race, while injecting reflex stimulating drugs in your veins to fire-n-run faster, you do not care about the health damage the pathetic ciggaret may deal, especially in such a far future, where the med science has somewhat advanced. Besides you're under mental pressure, and this cigga' may just keep you in shape mentally. I assure you, that there are antidepressants out there, which are hella worse than a cigga'.

However, did anyone notice they kept their drinks in the ice with the bomb? Gotta be somewhat against the rules, I also won't be too surprised it's all beamed with radiation, accordingly to the seals of the bomb.. Should be kinda rad-proof.. And it's also cool! Which doesn't mean one shouldn't do the same, but.. There are rules, but sometimes they get obsolete. You may not follow'em, u should just know'em. E.g: the red traffic-light with no moving car in the same square mile with u.

Overall, what I wanna say is that there are priorities.. E.g: some gangsta won't be talking like a literature lecturer, and a marine isn't gonna be keeping a "healthy lifestyle", he just won't bother(mostly). Would you ask a stinking soldier in Iraq why he hasn't taken shower for a week? I guess it's normal in certain cases, although unhealthy and uncomfortable for u and others.

Ooh, and my private additional reason for the coolness, is cos' I saw it for the first time while I was.. 10? yr old, just finished some mission vs the evil Zergs and earned me a new kewl cinematic :P

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I do not, and never have smoked.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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You realize "Cool" is purely down to opinion. And my opinion is that it is not cool. Hell, my mom smokes. Are you saying she's cool?

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type568
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March 2007
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Damn, I knew it'll be read faster than I fix it.. There were some many "not-clear" things before the edit, I also added few things in there..

I haven't seen your mom, but generally I dislike when women smoke.

furinkan
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October 2008
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Jones64
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February 2009

And the worst of it is that the game looks cartoony

yes, what happend with the darkness of the dungeons??
I was still a kid when playing D1, but I was scared s.hitless when the butcher came out ;D Not many games have that dark and evil atmosphere anymore :(

type568
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March 2007
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I think there are two reasons for this stuff to be leaving the market:

A) It's harder to enhance that non-cartoonish stuff with fair graphics.
B) I guess majority of the consumers are kids, that have parents who are gonna shit their pants if their kid sees a marine with a cigarette..

Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Looks like asian MMORPG style. I want American western style in Diablo. With dungeons and ruins of course.

X-G
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December 2000
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Diablo 3 doesn't even have a warrior class.

Bwuh

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Evert
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November 2000
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I remember people complaining about the art-style in the concept art of StarCraft II, saying that it borrowed too many elements from WarCraft III or World of WarCraft.
Funny enough, most of the things people were complaining about were also present in the concept-art for the original StarCraft.

As for Diablo III, I say damn, yet another game I won't have time to play. :-/

GameCreator
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July 2002
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I get that this is mostly a rhetorical thread but...

How someone fits into the suit (besides the fact that it's a fantasy game, of course):
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And you know you're gonna play Diablo 3, despite its reach for mass (WoW) appeal.

OICW
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November 2003
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How exactly would a person fit in that suit? His whole body would be in the torso, and his arms would have arms.

You haven't read Starship Troopers, have you? The concept of powered exoskeleton was discussed there. The Mobile Infantry used such personal tanks dropped from the orbit as their primary ground weapon (and possibly the only one). It was a man enclosed inside a large man shaped suit.

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