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Gentoo Linux - Installation CD - Partitioning SATA Hard Drive
BAF
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December 2002
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VS Express has do download... what it tells you it's downloading. You can download an iso of the whole VS Express suite and install w/o internet access.

Don Freeman
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October 2004
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What I mean by non optimized I/O code...Try the same file copy in Windoze and Linux. Nuf said. CD drive access speed is one such area that is not optimized under Windoze. You get that nice long CD/DVD drive spin up that takes for every to spin back down, and even then it acts retarded with looking at or copying files. I can look at and copy files from my DVD drive ALOT faster in Linux than on Windoze, with ALOT less spin up from the drive. Not to mention Windoze fabulous memory handling...it is a fucking joke!::) One thing I have always hated on Windoze...those stupid fucking games that do that CD check>:(...You know the ones. They spin the disk up and down like thirty times before realizing it is indeed the correct cd! I want these bastards to buy me a replacement DVD drive! That shit is totally uncalled for.>:(

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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Or maybe you could get a working CD drive so the program doesn't have to retry so many times to pass the CD check? (I speak from experience.)

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BAF
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December 2002
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Well one, I don't get any of the issues you speak of when copying files or dealing with DVD/CD access. Second, what's wrong with memory handling? Third, no-cd patches are the fix to that. And do you really think those games will wear out your drive that much faster?

Don Freeman
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Or maybe you could get a working CD drive so the program doesn't have to retry so many times to pass the CD check? (I speak from experience.)

I know this...also from experience.8-) My point is why should we be subjected to this crap?!?;)

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Well one, I don't get any of the issues you speak of when copying files or dealing with DVD/CD access.

Are you speaking of experience and have actually measured the time it takes each system?;)

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And do you really think those games will wear out your drive that much faster?

Are you serious?:o

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Third, no-cd patches are the fix to that.

Exactly! So why in the hell do we have to be subjected with this shit!::)

Granted, Windoze has come a long way with it's memory handling, but not it is still no near as good as Linux. And no real access control to speak of...even under Vista's new system. I do like the new approach, but there is still much to be done. I am not saying I totally hate Windows...I just know that it could be so much better. I am all for combining the best of both worlds...Windows for games and hardware support and Linux for everything else. Both systems have major selling points and weaknesses. I would really like to see vendors making more open source drivers. If not that, then at least everyone should support the standard for accessing their hardware.;)

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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have actually measured the time it takes each system?

No, but if the difference is too small to be casually noticed, I wouldn't worry about it.

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BAF
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I know this...also from experience.8-) My point is why should we be subjected to this crap?!?;)

I would blame that on the game maker, not on Microsoft. ::)

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Are you serious?:o

Yes I'm serious. I doubt you will ever see the end of your drive before you move on to something better.

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Exactly! So why in the hell do we have to be subjected with this shit!::)

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I would blame that on the game maker, not on Microsoft. ::)

Don Freeman
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You said:
I would blame that on the game maker, not on Microsoft. ::)
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One thing I have always hated on Windoze...those stupid fucking games that do that CD check>:(

Note that I am NOT blaming Microsoft.;) I AM pissed at these game companies for this crap.>:(

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Yes I'm serious. I doubt you will ever see the end of your drive before you move on to something better.

You DO have a valid point...::)
WE might upgrade to something new and better, but there are some people that can't afford to upgrade every year or so.::) I do believe that this could cause premature wear on the drive, yes. Any time you are using it, especially intentionally reading invalid sectors, you are wearing out the drive.

With hard drives as huge as they are...the only reason we should HAVE to have the CD/DVD is to install the damn program/game! It doesn't stop the cheaters or people that are determined to have a "free" copy.:-/ I also hate when you read the license agreement that states you can make one backup copy for archive purposes...and then the drive can't read the disk to make this backup because they intentionally write bad sectors!:o>:(

On a side note:
What is the requirements to get the free student copy of Vista? I had Vista on my lappy, but I gave it to a friend as a gift. I am currently taking classes online at the University of Phoenix...just wonder if I can get a copy. I actually just need the unlock key, as I still have the DVD install disk, home basic I believe it was.::)

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BAF
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WE might upgrade to something new and better, but there are some people that can't afford to upgrade every year or so.::) I do believe that this could cause premature wear on the drive, yes. Any time you are using it, especially intentionally reading invalid sectors, you are wearing out the drive.

Yeah but I doubt the drive will fail in anywhere close to a year from that, even if done every day.

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With hard drives as huge as they are...the only reason we should HAVE to have the CD/DVD is to install the damn program/game! It doesn't stop the cheaters or people that are determined to have a "free" copy.:-/ I also hate when you read the license agreement that states you can make one backup copy for archive purposes...and then the drive can't read the disk to make this backup because they intentionally write bad sectors!:o>:(

Also note that the only thing their copy protection does is make it more difficult for legit users. The crackers and pirates will find their own way around it anyway.

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What is the requirements to get the free student copy of Vista? I had Vista on my lappy, but I gave it to a friend as a gift. I am currently taking classes online at the University of Phoenix...just wonder if I can get a copy. I actually just need the unlock key, as I still have the DVD install disk, home basic I believe it was.::)

You have to get a license from your university, and they have to be enrolled in MSDNAA. You should be able to get a copy, unless your university doesn't offer it or doesn't offer it to online only students. My community college offers Vista Business or something like that under MSDNAA.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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I am continuing with the installation process. We'll see how far I can get tonight. Thus far, I seemingly have created the partition table (including LVM), created filesystems on each partition and enabled swap, and have mounted each partition... Just figured I would post an update. Since the partition table appears to be complete I would like to assign cookies now, but I'm afraid of having difficulties doing so (for multiple members) from links so I'll wait until I'm in a graphical browser again. :P

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@Don Freeman: No, it doesn't stop dedicated crackers, etc., but it does deter Joe Blow off the street from doing it. That's really what any anti-piracy software is for - it prevents average users and n00bs from exploiting software - it's difficult or impossible to prevent dedicated crackers and hackers from getting to intellectual property, but there is definitely advantages to slowing them down and/or preventing average users from doing the same.

BAF
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December 2002
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No, that's not what the anti-piracy software is for, or else they wouldn't keep making it more and more intrusive. At this point, about all it is good for is deterring legitimate users from using the software.

Don Freeman
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October 2004
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Just check your PM and let us know if you need any help.::)

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le_y_mistar
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January 2007
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bamcaig, congratulations on still not having a working linux desktop, go gentoo:D

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Don Freeman
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October 2004
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I do not see why le_y_mistar should have been given credit.:o All (s)he has done is complain and whine about using Gentoo.:-/ I may start to get a complex about helping for cookies.:'( No, seriously...I don't care if I get credit for helping out...I would still help regardless if I knew something about the topic.::) Keep us posted about your progress.:D

Starts Gentoo...hacked into le_y_mistar's box...found all his gay porn.::);D8-)

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Don Freeman said:

I do not see why le_y_mistar should have been given credit.:o All (s)he has done is complain and whine about using Gentoo.:-/

I gave him credit because I think he's funny. He gets under people's skin when in reality they should know him by now and just ignore it. His trolling is also why I got interested in Gentoo in the first place.

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Keep us posted about your progress.:D

Yeah, about that... :-/

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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His trolling is also why I got interested in Gentoo in the first place.

Now that is irony.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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What was the saying? "Any publicity is good publicity"

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

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