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Holes in Vista already?
Evert
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November 2000
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I suppose that Windows Vista won't natively support Ext3 partitions, right?

Out of the box? That'll be the day!

OICW
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Thomas: yes I know I use that one already. That's why I'm asking for native support - I know I'm naive.

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That'll be the day!

Yes it'll.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Evert, you wouldn't happen to be a Buddy Holly fan would you? ;)

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Evert
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No. Never heard of him, in fact.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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Ah well, I thought you were old enough to have at least heard of him, old musician. I only heard of him through older movies and my parents.

"That'll be the day when I die" is a classic :) probably my favorite song of his.

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OICW
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After seeing this video I doubt that it will be possible to exploit that hole...

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LennyLen
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"That'll be the day when I die" is a classic probably my favorite song of his.

Most people are probably more familiar with either "Peggy Sue" or "Rave On."

But yeah, Buddy Holly rocked (no pun intended). His death was a great shame (as was the Big Bopper's and Ritchie Valens' (who was my preferred artist of the three that died that night)).

Bob Keane
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June 2006

As opposed to Matthew's DELETE STAR DOT STAR command, might I suggest FDISK C DELETE PARTITION NOVERIFY?

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Recovering a deleted partition is a little easier than recovering your file system tree.

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Tobias Dammers
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Would subtracting the output sent to the souncard from the microphone samples avoid processing the speaker output?

No. Each and every piece of sound hardware induces a certain amount of latency, and even in a top-of-the-line audio production system, total latencies are around 1 to 2 samples for each direction (in / out), totalling to at least 2 to 4 samples. While this is not an audible time delay, it will not cancel out the sound completely.
On top of that, neither speakers nor microphone have perfect flat linear response, and there will be room reflections as well, all that dirtying the input signal even more.

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Edit: I suppose that Windows Vista won't natively support Ext3 partitions, right?

We all know that ext3 is an evil communist file system, and that NTFS is the bestest evar, don't we?

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Bob Keane
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I remember back in the twentieth century, there was a low level format command which would wipe the drive in an unrecoverable state. I don't remember what it was though. Sigh.

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BAF
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Ops, I suppose it was w/o Aero.

It was with Aero.

And regarding ext2, I doubt that FS driver will work anymore. Vista now refuses to run unsigned drvers. ANOTHER nail in the coffin.

OICW
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And regarding ext2, I doubt that FS driver will work anymore. Vista now refuses to run unsigned drvers.

Not my fault ;D I want to see people, when they'll give me some document and I'll ask them for .odt ;) Or ask them if they can give me some certain thing in some normal format so I can open it under my future OS (and as XP support fade away my only OS) - Linux.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Whoa, it'll refuse outright to run unsigned drivers? Thats a pain in the ass. On the beta I used it complained quite a bit upon installing, but it worked :(

If you have to theres always coLinux and having it access the drives.

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BAF
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On the RC2 I used, it would install the driver, but wouldn't load it unless you enabled debug mode + unsigned drivers [this has to be done on every boot through the boot menu]. And word is, that option was removed in all but the development editions of Windows.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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Well, if I feel the vista itch, I'll stick with my beta (alpha, rtm, whatever) version.

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OICW
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Thomas: till the license goes off? I think that they're supposed to refuse working after Windblows Vendettat official release date, aren't they? (oh I don't think about little hacking...)

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BAF
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I believe they disable as of June 2008.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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I did say if ;)

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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I remember back in the twentieth century, there was a low level format command which would wipe the drive in an unrecoverable state. I don't remember what it was though. Sigh.

You mean the DOS FORMAT.COM? At least Win95 (98?) and earlier reformatting over an installed partition (even of different size) would show junk on the "dir" command. Now I always format with Linux boot cd after dd'ing a few megs of zeros to the start of the partition.

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Windows now has the flashy GUI that MacOS X has had for the past five years, and requires a top-of-the-line new computer to use it?

In addition, the Mac was running it on the PPC chip (which Motorola allowed to languish due to lack of competition which is why Apple switched to x86)

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You mean the DOS FORMAT.COM?

If he really meant low level format, then I guess not. It's a procedure that I only ever heard about that you could do on harddrives in the early eighties. By the time we got our first PC, the option was still in the BIOS but home users weren't supposed to low-level format their harddrives anymore because it was sure to ruin the drive (that's what was said - I don't know the specifics) without the proper equipment. These days I think the option isn't even available any more.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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You mean the DOS FORMAT.COM?

I would have to say no. I'm thinking he's talking about a low level format, a utility that is supposed to only be run once, just after manufacture. It "formats" the platters into the proper configuration, and may add any defective sectors to the bad list.

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home users weren't supposed to low-level format their harddrives anymore because it was sure to ruin the drive

I've seen the option in many HD manufacture's diagnostic utilities packages. Its dangerous, and if anything goes wrong (like a power failure) during the process, your drive ends up dead. But otherwise, its just not something that should ever need done these days. Drives will automatically add dead sectors to thier own internal bad sectors list till its full. And once you start seeing bad sectors, its time to get a replacement.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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harddrives in the early eighties

For at least some drives, you could fire up debug.com and "g c000:7300" or something to use a subroutine in rom to rewrite the tracks (which were "missed" by aging stepper motor linkages). I made one that used BIOS interrupts to change the interleave to 1:1 for that blazing fast 286. But everyone I'd talked to in real life insisted that FORMAT.COM was the low level format.

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Bob Keane
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June 2006

It definitely was not format.com. The rumor was that it would ruin a hard disk when something went wrong, it did have something to do with the manufacturer's utilities and I think had something about a hex address. I am going with Arthur on this. The good old days. When destroying a computer meant exactly that. (sighs nostalgically)

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Is it true that Vista doesn't support OpenGL?

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