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GP2X vs NDS
Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I ordered a SuperCard DS One today. It'll do everything I want :)

And if I have to, I can get a SuperCard SD Lite, and use the DS One as a pass key.

I don't believe you even need to do any flashing if you get a DS One.

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ngiacomelli
Member #5,114
October 2004

I'm confused! I've read a number of different tutorials and sources, each suggesting a number of different Homebrew solutions. I have a black DS lite, and would like to be able to download/run homebrew games on it, and possibly even develop some games for it. Is there a way I can do this without having to flash the firmware?

If so, what peripherals will I need to buy? If not: are there any companies that will flash my DS for me?

Matt Smith
Member #783
November 2000

You don't need to flash your DS if you keep your passkey in the top slot. Flashing has these advantages

  • You do not need a passkey to run homebrew DS software from a GBA cart (e.g. Supercard, M3, F2A etc)

  • You can run unsigned software via WiFi

  • You fix the bug in the firmware which potentially allows malicious (but somehow signed, which admittedly isn't likely) software to wreck the bios so badly you would need at least a soldering iron to fix it.

  • You [optionally] lose the epilepsy warning at start up.

There are no companies I know of which offer flashing, but anyone with the kit will do it for free (or a beer) if you can go to meet them. There are threads devoted to this on at least 2 of the forums.

My passkey (a Passme v.1) is now redundant but only works with early DS-Heavy unless I flash the Passme to a v.2 (that's another story, and a special cable).

There are 3 basic types of DS kit

  • Traditional GBA cartridges, which need either a special writer or a GBA plugged into your PC in order to write to them, but work exactly like a commercial GBA ROM when reading. You need a passkey (or to flash your DS) to run DS software off these.

  • A new-style GBA cartridge, which have (usually 32MB) RAM and a slot for SD/CF/mini-SD. These need slight modifications to software to handle the transfer from the SD card into RAM. This also needs a passkey or flashed DS.

  • A brand-new-style DS cartridge, which does not need a passkey. These do not have a SD/CF slot so software must be transferred via WiFi from your PC

I chose the 2nd option, because it was slightly cheaper than the 3rd, and will also work in a GBA.

Ultio
Member #1,336
April 2001

relpatseht said:

paid about $60 from WINSUNX [winsunx.com] however, they have a weird payment system

How so? I've been eyeballing WINSUNX to buy some DS development stuff for a while now. I'm interested in how the transaction went through and your experience buying from them.

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ixilom
Member #7,167
April 2006
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I ordered a GP2X 3 days ago, still waiting for it to arrive >:(

My reasons to buy a GP2X instead of DS

  • Open source, no need to "hack", flash, iron it to do homebrew stuff

  • Its faster

  • It doesn't come with Mario, I'm sick of him

  • I like to be different, everyone I know either has a PSP, GBA or DS

  • It uses "normal" memorycards, no need to buy yet another card that only works with one specific hardware/brand

  • I can play Mario (if I want to). I bet there is a DS-emu on the way for the GP2X

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Sirocco
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April 2000
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You [optionally] lose the epilepsy warning at start up.

Losing the epilepsy warning: priceless.

That really annoys me. Every time I fire up ye olde Wii I see the warning, and then the inevitable cascade of obscenity erupts from my lips as I curse Nintendo for cowtowing to the entitlement generation who demand a warning label on every single piece of equipment, no matter how mundane, they might lay their hands on. That warning needs a user-accessible disable flag.

If you somehow fail to realize that TVs and displays can potentially trigger epileptic seizures, you sure as hell will figure it out when your kid drops his/her controller and starts flopping around like a fish.

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relpatseht
Member #5,034
September 2004
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Ultio said:

How so? I've been eyeballing WINSUNX to buy some DS development stuff for a while now. I'm interested in how the transaction went through and your experience buying from them.

I'll be able to give a little more information (such as, if I paid more than I recall) once I get home as I won't tie up the phone line while on the Internet, I will be able to tolerate the Internet, and I will have a few records only available on hard copy, but my experience with buying from them was excellent, if abnormal. They have a complete description of the purchase process on their site, which seemed a bit odd to me (having to email them with desired products, twice, I think) all worked out well and shipping was extremely fast. My order arrived in three days which is quite a good time considering the company is based in China, as can be discovered reading e-mails from them.

In short, everything went fine and I was able to get the cheapest price from them (I spent quite a long time running through every site I could find that sold SuperCards and Passkeys), if you want any further information, just ask.

Ultio
Member #1,336
April 2001

Ah yes. I never realized there was such a convoluted process just to get some money to them. Not only to I dislike ordering stuff online, I really dislike using paypal to do it. It also looks like shipping is pretty steep (if you don't order many things at once). I have heard from many people who ordered from winsunx with no problems, however. Hm. I guess it's all up to how much I really want one of these things to tinker around with (both passcard and sd/cf gba slot cart).

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you sure as hell will figure it out when your kid drops his/her controller and starts flopping around like a fish.

Wait a minute... You mean to tell me that... that's not normal to do? :-[

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relpatseht
Member #5,034
September 2004
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Well, you could always use another site to purchase them off of. If I recall, the final prices were all about $1 to $20 apart from each other with shipping factored in; however, I don't recall the names of any other sites off hand so you will have to look around a bit.

nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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Wow, sounds like lots of people have either a ds or a gp.

Who will be first to throw down in the A.cc hand-held hack?

8-)

juvinious
Member #5,145
October 2004
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Who will be first to throw down in the A.cc hand-held hack?

As soon as we can get a port of allegro working with devkitpro and libnds, I've got the framework added in a separate repository, just need to write the NDS specific drivers. :D

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Epsi
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April 2005
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So I'm the only one with a PSP ?

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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I can play Mario (if I want to). I bet there is a DS-emu on the way for the GP2X

Ennnnnt... try again. If you read the GPx2 emulation FAQ stuff, they said an NDS emulator was impossible, due to architectures differing that much, lack of screen space, lack of touch screen, and a few other issues. That's the main reason I got a DS instead (not to mention the ability to purchase most things for it locally with my employee discount to save some $$).

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I really dislike using paypal to do it.

:o Paypal is one of my preferred methods. I'd much rather pay through paypal than by giving my credit card information to some random site. If it's a larger site that I know more about and trust more (like newegg, etc), I'm fine with giving my CC however.

Ultio
Member #1,336
April 2001

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So I'm the only one with a PSP ?

You're not alone there. I have one too. :)

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I'd much rather pay through paypal than by giving my credit card information to some random site.

This is true. With stuff like this - I'd rather walk into a brick and mortar store, honestly. I should have rephrased what I originally intended: I don't like putting credit card numbers or bank account numbers into any website, period. I need to get me one of those new (old?) fandangled card services where your carrier generates a one time use number that is magically linked to your account but doesn't work after the fact of the transaction. Something like that.

I'll still probably end up buying some stuff from good old Winsunx. :)

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I forgot to ask this question, specifically: for those of you who are using Passcards and some GBA Slot to hold the media that you're actually running: what kind of software are you using to put the media onto the cart? Is it proprietary software, or anything that will transfer data onto the memory card that slides into the cart? I'm wary of first party software that does the actual data writing. I have a program like this for my EZFA (GBA flash cart) and it's not the best piece of software out there, unfortunately. It is also impossible to find, and thankfully I've made backups of it all over the place.

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juvinious
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October 2004
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I forgot to ask this question, specifically: for those of you who are using Passcards and some GBA Slot to hold the media that you're actually running: what kind of software are you using to put the media onto the cart?

In the case of a supercard, the cart has a slot for you to slide in a memory stick like SD/miniSD/MicroSD(depending on the card). So no cart flashing required... you just need to take your memory stick and dump roms on it. The only software you would probably need is that to convert the roms themselves. In the case of a Supercard one, you don't need to convert the roms as they are fully supported without modification, unless you want to have reset and other advanced features.

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Matt Smith
Member #783
November 2000

The cards just have to be FAT16 formatted, which is standard for all memory cards, cameras etc. up to 1 or 2GB

I've found the Supercard useless for playing rom dumps of either GBA or NDS, even with the supplied (and a different) patching program. I only finally confirmed my hardware was working when I found a torrent of a 'specially cracked for supercard' game.

juvinious
Member #5,145
October 2004
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You sure you have had your firmware up-to-date? Also do you have an authentic supercard? There seems to be a ton of fakes floating around these days, which will definitely have problems with rom dumps.
I've yet to have any problem with any rom dumps playing on my SuperCard Lite, except the opera browser which is only because it requires a memory expansion pack which is supposed to go into the gba slot. And I can say that I've tried nearly every rom floating out around on the net.

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Matt Smith
Member #783
November 2000

Well, many of my problems were caused by my Trust 12-in-1 card reader, which silently corrupts files. I turned on 'Disable delayed writes', used 'Eject' and 'Safely Remove Drive', waited 5 minutes etc. in 98SE, XPsp0 and XPsp2. I even bought a new SD card, and tried formatting the old one (in 98SE for definitive FAT16) but that just wrecked it. I should try everything again with a different brand of card drive before I declare anything else as not working, I suppose :) I have a SmartPhone which can serve this purpose.

I think my Supercard is authentic, because the game I did eventually get working is 32MB, which needs complete compatability with a real SC because of how it bank-switches the top 16MB (The M3 is considered superior by some in this respect).

Another device worth mentioning is the GBA movie player. This is similar to a SC/M3 but with much less RAM (I think 4MB) and an MPEG decoder chip. This may appeal if you want to watch movies too, without re-encoding to something the DS can handle in software. I would consider this to be a luxury extra, rather than a serious homebrew kit, but it can be used.

Once your DS is flashed, you don't need any extra hardware at all to run as a wireless client. This limits you to the 4MB of internal RAM, which is just enough for a small Allegro game, by my calculations.

X-G
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December 2000
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Ugh, why do these things have to be so pricey? $290 = failure.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Matt Smith said:

A brand-new-style DS cartridge, which does not need a passkey. These do not have a SD/CF slot so software must be transferred via WiFi from your PC

Bzzzzzt! ;)

The SuperCard DS One has a MicroSD slot. It's the DS-X that doesn't. Though the DS-X has its own benefits (built in USB port, two "cpu"s, one little thing to handle the usb and something else, while a non-locked FPGA handles the card's OS, and can be used to do other things, ie: the company claims it can be programmed to emulate the DS's Arm9 and run at 233MHz).

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Ugh, why do these things have to be so pricey? $290 = failure.

Sorry, what costs 290$? I believe my DS Lite was all of 150 cad maybe. And even then, I didn't pay for it.

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X-G
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December 2000
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The GP2X. The DS is $230 US here.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Sucks to be you doesn't it ;)

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Matt Smith
Member #783
November 2000

gp2x is no more than $219 for the latest 266Mhz Mk2 version from this UK supplier and that includes shipping to outside Europe.

Incidentally this is where I got my SuperCard. Quick Delivery A++++++++ good ebayer, would recommend

X-G
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December 2000
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The page said:

£ 139.99 (All inc.)
$ 219.99 (Outside Europe)

140 GBP ~ 1900 SEK.
220 USD ~ 1500 SEK.

I call fucking shenanigans. It would actually be cheaper if I lived outside Europe.

Append: Even their order-summary-shipping-calculator thing agrees with this assessment. If I'm in Sweden, I get to pay 1803:- for one. If I'm in the US, the cost only comes to 1547:-.

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Simon Parzer
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