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Husein will hang!
miran
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June 2002

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Hurrah. Let's hope it's done slowly.

Still, serves him right for picking an oil rich country to live in ;)

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Johan Halmén
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September 2001

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Saddam Hussein shouted out "Allahu Akbar!" (God is Greatest) and "Long live Iraq. Long live the Iraqi people!" after the judge announced the verdict.

Well, I guess that was a good closure. If he only would have followed that when he still was the leader.

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Simon Parzer
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March 2003
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That's just awful. Mankind will never learn.

23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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They still do hangings?

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miran
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June 2002

Apparently they do.

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Ah, because a lethal injection is so better!

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kentl
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November 2002

It's spelled Hussein. 8-) And I don't know if I'm pro death sentence in any case. Locking him up for life could make him less of a martyr.

FMC
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March 2004
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As I walked out over London Bridge
One misty morning early
I overheard a fair pretty maid
Was lamenting for her Saddam

My Saddam will be hanged in a golden chain
'Tis not the chain of many
He was born of kings' royal breed
And lost to a virtuous lady

Go bridle me my milk white steed
Go bridle me my pony
I will ride to London's court
To plead for the life of Saddam

My Saddam never stole killed nor cow nor calf
He never hurted any
He stole sixteen of the king's royal deer
And he sold them in Bohenny

Two pretty babies have I born
The third lies in my body
I'd freely part with them every one
If you'd spare the life of Saddam

The judge looked over his left shoulder
He said, Fair maid I'm sorry
He said, Fair maid you must be gone
For I cannot pardon Saddam

My Saddam will be hanged in a golden chain
'Tis not the chain of many
He stole sixteen of the king's royal deer
And he sold them in Bohenny

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miran
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June 2002

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It's spelled Hussein.

I wasn't aware of the fact that they use Latin scripture in Irak. ::)

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Rick
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June 2003
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Ah, because a lethal injection is so better!

I think some ways of dying are better than others. Yes, the final result is the same, but what way would you rather go? A feeling of just going to sleep or dropping a distance with a rope around your neck? Just because it's death doesn't mean there can't be more "civilized" ways of doing it. Oddly enough death is apart of life.

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That's just awful. Mankind will never learn.

What would you suggest? Prison for life? That's not what I call living. Please oh god don't say rehabilitation for Saddam.

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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I am against death penalty. That is so medieval. No, Saddam may not be rehabilited, but taking the life of someone is not justice, it is revenge.

As for the lethal injection, I find it interesting that some cultures are willing to execute persons, yet they question when someone asks for euthanasia. That someone takes a life does not grant anyone else the right to take his life. As I said, that is so medieval.

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

And it's Saddam, not Hussein, if only one name is used. Like the Chinese. Not that it matters him. Eventually.

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X-G
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December 2000
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I always find military tribunals on this scale confusing. The trial is technically about some massacre, yet it seems clear that what he's "really" on trial for is all the other atrocities, as well. And there's no heavier punishment than death, which some countries already hand out for killing one or two people... the whole thing is weird.

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Michael Jensen
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October 2002
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Couldn't have happend to a nicer guy. :P

Zaphos
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August 2001

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No, Saddam may not be rehabilited, but taking the life of someone is not justice, it is revenge.

What is 'justice', then? Why do we want it?

The death penalty may be considered 'effective' in that its existence may serve as a deterrent to others (emphasized eg by the medieval practice of putting heads on spikes), and in that it does conclusively remove a dangerous person's ability to do further harm. So it's hard to say it serves only as a form of revenge.
I'm not saying I support it, here: It's an ugly practice, and introduces its own moral problems -- what if, for example, those killed turned out to be not actually guilty?
But saying it's revenge, not justice, sounds a bit like a straw man to me.

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some cultures are willing to execute persons, yet they question when someone asks for euthanasia.

Well, there are unique moral questions around both issues.

Simon Parzer
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March 2003
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What would you suggest? Prison for life? That's not what I call living. Please oh god don't say rehabilitation for Saddam.

Let him free. He didn't mean it.

X-G
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Well, there are unique moral questions around both issues.

True, although it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical to claim that you have a moral right to kill someone against their will, but not if they consent to it.

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Zaphos
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August 2001

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it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical to claim that you have a moral right to kill someone against their will, but not if they consent to it.

It's not like consenting to being killed, after getting the death penalty, would removed the death penalty ... right? I mean, otherwise no one with half a brain would ever actually die for the death penalty!
So I think it's more accurately phrased as this:
"You have a moral right to kill someone when there is 'sufficient' evidence that they have done very bad things, but otherwise do not have that right. Consent does not affect the presence or absence of this moral right."

Rick
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June 2003
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As for the lethal injection, I find it interesting that some cultures are willing to execute persons, yet they question when someone asks for euthanasia.

I agree totally, yet sometimes these people might not be "in their right mind", but that is all questionable also.

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That someone takes a life does not grant anyone else the right to take his life. As I said, that is so medieval.

Then what do you do? Obviously something has to be done. You can't just let a person keep killing "civilians" anytime they please can you?

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nonnus29
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August 2002
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I always find military tribunals on this scale confusing. The trial is technically about some massacre, yet it seems clear that what he's "really" on trial for is all the other atrocities, as well.

That's not correct. He's going to be tried for multiple massacres. This one in 1982 was the first case. He'll be tried separately for gassing the Kurds and slaughtering the shiites during the uprising in 1991 (or there abouts).

And not surprisingly to you all (I imagine) I'm all for the death penalty. In fact I think death by prolonged, inhumane torture would not be inappropriate in this case.

OICW
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November 2003
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This is so medieval

And when do you think they live? In medieval ages of their religion. It will take them 600 years till they reach the level Christianity has now. I think that hanging there is one of the more humane types of death. He could also be stoned to death.

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Steve Terry
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March 2002
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I'm totally disappointed by the war in Iraq. We've captured Saddam yes but now it's total chaos there and Bush still hasn't found any WMD's, guy can't even pronounce nuclear weapon. Hanging Saddam will only make the war in Iraq worse but the guy shouldn't be allowed to live either. I'm still not convinced on why we invaded Iraq anyway, we were after Osama and he's still at large. I'm afraid Iraq will be another pointless war were we pull out early and lose, only to leave Iraq worse off then when we started. Sad thing is that we feed Iraq through our purchases of their oil. They get money to purchase rocket launchers, AK-47's, and Uranium processing plants, just seems like we are only shooting ourselves in the foot here.

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Tobias Dammers
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The death penalty may be considered 'effective' in that its existence may serve as a deterrent to others (emphasized eg by the medieval practice of putting heads on spikes), and in that it does conclusively remove a dangerous person's ability to do further harm. So it's hard to say it serves only as a form of revenge.
I'm not saying I support it, here: It's an ugly practice, and introduces its own moral problems -- what if, for example, those killed turned out to be not actually guilty?
But saying it's revenge, not justice, sounds a bit like a straw man to me.

3 classical reasons for punishment:
1) Deter. Works for tiny offenses such as, say, speeding or shoplifting, and is basically a society's way of saying that what you've done is not acceptable. However, for more severe crimes, this doesn't hold. Countries with death penalty do not have lower murder rates than others, on the contrary.
2) Preventing the offender from doing more harm. Effectively, this means to remove the offender from society - either by locking them away for a sufficient amount of time, or by killing them.
3) Revenge. Usually disguised in religious pseudo-arguments.

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Rick
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June 2003
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I look at Iraq like this: If nothing ever chances, then nothing ever chances. When a leader continually directly kills his own countrymen, that is a bad bad thing. He is a bad man, that much is known. Put on top of that nuclear weapon suspicion, and I think something needed to be done. That being said, I think we should have focused on North Korea first, as we all know now they were more serious about a nuke.

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Countries with death penalty do not have lower murder rates than others

I don't think they are directly related. There are just to many factors involved in why people kill.

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