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juvinious
Member #5,145
October 2004
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Incorporating some kind of project management system would be beneficial to the community, projects, and developers also like webcollab
Thus people can organize and task individuals they hire which then the taskee can report his progress through the management system. It also allows others to see projects that require some kind of service (incomplete tasks) and see whether the type of project is of something of interest to him/her.

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Rampage
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December 2002
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I think it's a great way to increase the quality of the involved projects, but only if it's properly organized. Someone should set up a wiki to keep track of the people offering their skills and the projects in need of help. There should be "reliability points" to be awarded to those people who actually do the requested work.

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amarillion
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January 2001
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Miran said:

..., but shouldn't there be a way to generate new money? As I see it, there are now just 50 AR per person in the whole system. The only way to keep it going is if everyone would immediately spend everything they have. ... Also 50 AR at the start when 1 hour of work costs 10 AR seems like not very much.

Those are valid points, but the downside is that I don't want to give away too much to people who might not be completely sure of how to use the system. So this initial money is at the same the maximum you can spend before you have to start doing some work, this will encourage you to both take jobs and give out jobs for others right from the beginning.

I have an idea that might solve this: I'm considering a system where you can increase your start fund after you've earned some trust. E.g. After you have earned 50 rupees and spent 50 rupees, you'll be able to take up another free loan of 50 from the bank. What do you think of this? This way you are forced to do a few short jobs in the beginning, to get the hang of it, but then you can focus on bigger jobs later on.

Archon said:

Could we act as a bank? People can lend up rupees with interest while we invest it in feasible projects and get more rupees in return.

Yes of course, although I think that if this happens a lot that is an indication there is something going wrong with the system.

jorram said:

I think it's a great way to increase the quality of the involved projects, but only if it's properly organized.

I agree. I started this thread first because I wanted to gauge the interest, but there seems to be enough to warrant a website. I'll set up a few wiki pages soon, and get working on a more advanced system later.

jorram said:

There should be "reliability points" to be awarded to those people who actually do the requested work.

Good idea too.

Dustin: I'll write some specs for you later today.

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002

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I have an idea that might solve this: I'm considering a system where you can increase your start fund after you've earned some trust. E.g. After you have earned 50 rupees and spent 50 rupees, you'll be able to take up another free loan of 50 from the bank. What do you think of this? This way you are forced to do a few short jobs in the beginning, to get the hang of it, but then you can focus on bigger jobs later on.

As I said, a system like this needs to be kickstarted before it gets going properly. Your idea is doing the exact opposite as it assumes people will be able and willing to both earn and spend right from the beginning. You can be almost 100% certain this is not going to happen.

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amarillion
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January 2001
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I've quickly set up a few pages on the allegro wiki:

Miran: what do you think is holding people back then?

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002

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Miran: what do you think is holding people back then?

Some people are busy with projects and don't have time to help others right now. They will "pay back" later.

Some people don't have a project, so they will only help others right now. They will "give jobs" later.

Your idea assumes "later" is a very short amount of time. I don't think this can work. Yes, when the system is running, maybe it can, but not at the very beginning. You must first artificially kickstart it (I use that word wy too often) by giving big loans and stuff like that, so that as many different people join in, then later it will hopefully stabilize itself and only minor interventions are needed...

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amarillion
Member #940
January 2001
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Maybe you are right Miran. But I'd like to know the opinion of others too before I make a decision. So let's have a little poll, shall we?

Do you think I'm right being cautious, giving out only little money when the system is still so new and unknown?
Or do you think Miran is right and with 50/person there is not enough currency to get the system going?

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Quote:

Do you think I'm right being cautious, giving out only little money when the system is still so new and unknown?
Or do you think Miran is right and with 50/person there is not enough currency to get the system going?

I agree with Miran. A lot of people will want to see some results before they commit, so things will be slow at first.

Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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I think it should be more myself. ~200

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nonnus29
Member #2,606
August 2002
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Quote:

Do you think I'm right being cautious, giving out only little money when the system is still so new and unknown?
Or do you think Miran is right and with 50/person there is not enough currency to get the system going?

I don't think it really matters how many ar you give out at first. BAF can bid 500 for a site, but since he know anyone only has 50, sounds like he doesn't really want the work. :P I think very few people will utilize the system at first and they may deplete their funds or accumulate large amounts of ar's and the rest of us will sit on the 50 ar for quiet some time and may not use it at all.

I think the system should be setup to rely one additional thing: Programmer Pride. The main reason alot of us do this kind of thing is to build up esteem among our peers (according Eric Raymond) for our coding abilities or ability to create projects. It'd be nice if allegro.cc could be setup to display your rupee account balance in you sig somewhere, it could act like a 'rating system' some other sites use.

Another problem could be: if a person accumulates alot of rupees, what are the chances they in turn will spend them? So maybe give the rupees a half life, if you don't use them they go back to the bank?

CGamesPlay
Member #2,559
July 2002
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Give each person 1 month's salary: 1600 AR :)

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Ah, speculation. That is something I do know in Argentina! I will lend 10 AC for a 1 AC tax per week, to a maximun of 15 AC ;D

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CGamesPlay
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July 2002
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I think the better display is the total grossed income. That way one can spend one's rupees and not have a "lower" rating.

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Elverion
Member #6,239
September 2005
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"In other news, Archon-soft global banking systems went up 10 points today, and expect some pretty hefty rupee dividends this year".

I help people just for the warm fuzzy feeling inside...Or maybe grahm crackers and mountain dew don't mix too well.

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GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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I like the idea, and will join when I will be back home.
As Miran said, if we want the project to be OK, we should start it by accepting the fact: the beginning will not make you earn rupees.

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Ultio
Member #1,336
April 2001

All other things aside; where are we going to promote this so we can get more people outside the realm of programming? This whole project is only going to be as good as the community that's going to back it and keep it alive.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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I think the better display is the total grossed income

I like that idea.

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Onewing
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August 2005
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Sounds interesting, at least the 50% of each post that I read. Anyway, here's my talents (if you want to call them that):

  • Simple, generic loop-sampling music writer. Great for upbeat background sequences and/or placeholder music. For original compisitions, see other users, but for five minute production, see me. ;)

  • Design savvy. Let me set you up and get you started.

  • Story writer. I've got some die-hard fans out in the fanfiction world. I can write you up a story, side-story, etc.

  • Tester. I'll play your game and probably give you the best feedback you've ever seen.

  • Enthusiastic programmer. Great for writing modular code and works well with teams. I'm fit for writing the code that you don't really want to handle. ;) I'm studying to become a more hardcore coder, but I'm not quite to that level.

  • Art. If you want me to do some art, I will, but it's going to take a while. If you got some tedious pixel work to do, well, you get the drill.

Me in a nutshell I guess. BTW, amarillion, you might want to sum up the process on your original post. I kept veering away because I didn't want to read all that material, nor did I have the time. :)

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ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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I'd like to post a job for someone to do my perl homework, anyone interested?

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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I can do that. I would be needing you to tell me what is it about, and provide the data samples. My fee for Perl tasks is 1 AC per half an hour. I will review the problem and tell you how much it will take me (if I am able to do it, if I see the requirements are too complex or I am just too busy by the time).

Note that I won't be able to help you with your exams, though :P

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ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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You're hired :)

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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If anybody has any Music Theory homework...

... I ain't doin it! :P

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Edited: Well, I decided not to take the task. I don't want to be doing everyone's homework in the future :) So, I offer you 1 AC as indemnization for not accepting it. If you have some doubts about the tasks, I can give you a hand, but not code them. Sorry.

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ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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Then up your price, I can offer you 5 AR for an hours work

kentl
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November 2002

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