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Erkle
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May 2003
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Wouldn't heterophobic(Meaning fear of different things) fit better then. Homophobic does actually make sense as most people who use it are only afraid of seeing part of themselves in a homosexual person.

N.B. homosexual is a description not a noun. A person is not a homosexual but rather practices homosexuality.

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Steve++
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Steve++, its called a misnomer, there are plenty of them in the English language.

It's a misnomer with an holier-than-thou agenda.

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N.B. homosexual is a description not a noun. A person is not a homosexual but rather practices homosexuality.

There are many adjectives that are also nouns in unmodified form.

Matthew, thank you for hijacking this thread. :P

LennyLen
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December 2004
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Erkle said:

Homophobic does actually make sense as most people who use it are only afraid of seeing part of themselves in a homosexual person

Did you mean to say most people who use the word homophobic, or most people who are described as homophobic? because the former would be an absurd generalisation considering how widespread the use of it is. The latter is probably most certainly true (conjecture on my part), and also (agin conjecture) most homophobic people are also afraid that they might somehow be mistaken as being homosexual.

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It's a misnomer with an holier-than-thou agenda.

It may have been conceived with a holier-than-thou agenda, but now its simply a term, just like any other. The only holier-than-thou attitude in this thread is yours: "It is a pseudo-intellectual piece of tripe, used by feminazis, stunt-journalists, stunt-lecturers and anyone trying to score points with those tossers."

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In fact, to assert that 'homophobic' is correct English implies that 'homo' is a correct synonym for 'homosexual';

It does not imply that, you've simply inferred this for yourself.

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it is actually a derogatory synonym. The person that coined this phrase surely should have known that.

Homosexualphobia is very cumbersome however, which is probably why whoever coined the the term homophobia did so. I guess they simply didn't take into account how anal some people are about demanding that terms be perfect. Kinda ironic really.

Oh, and homo is a prefix, not a suffix. :P

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The suffix 'phobic' is incorrectly applied, as it represents an extreme.

It's your definition of 'phobic' that is incorrect. Phobias are irrational and/or extreme, not irrational and extreme.

Evert
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November 2000
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N.B. homosexual is a description not a noun. A person is not a homosexual but rather practices homosexuality.

Oxford's dictionary disagrees with you. Homosexual is an adjective as well as a noun.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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Since when was any book written infalable?

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Bruce Perry
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In this case, I would agree with Oxford. They do a very good job at reflecting usage, and my impression of the usage of the word is in line with Oxford's.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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I dunno, any book that is revised as much as a dictionary can't be reputable. Get it right the first time ;)

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Evert
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Since when was any book written infalable?

Yes, by all means, lets trust that whatever random forum post shows up supporting something has more weight than a printed book, because hey, the book could be wrong!

But if you want to go for the majority argumen, my van Dale Engels-Nederlands says the same thing, as does dictionary.com.

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I dunno, any book that is revised as much as a dictionary can't be reputable. Get it right the first time ;)

Rubbish.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Yes, by all means, lets trust that whatever random forum post shows up supporting something has more weight than a printed book, because hey, the book could be wrong!

Books have a way of becomming out of date rather quickly.

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Rubbish.

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Bruce Perry
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April 2000

I think Tomasu's joking now. :)

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amarillion
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January 2001
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Rubbish

NyanKoneko
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Since when was any book written infalable?

The Bible?

"If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them." Lev: 20:13

Looks like God didn't use the word homophobia anywhere. Nyah~

Myrdos
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December 2001

What about two women? That's still considered holy, right?

Anyways, you spelled 'infallible' wrong. I'm just saying.

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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The Bible?

Please tell me you're kidding. :-[

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Kitty Cat
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Please tell me you're kidding. :-[

It's NyanKoneko. 'nuf said. :P

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Michael Jensen
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What about two women? That's still considered holy, right?

no, in Romans is says not to do that either... anyways it's not mentioned a whole LOT in the bible, but when it is, they say it's bad... however most of the purity code in leveticus isn't followed by modern christians as it's supposed to be one of those things that Jesus died for (so you'd be forgiven and not stoned to death) but the romans part is written by christians who understood that, and said even tho you can be forgiven, don't be gay anyways...

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In fact, to assert that 'homophobic' is correct English implies that 'homo' is a correct synonym for 'homosexual';

It does not imply that, you've simply inferred this for yourself.

Ummm, are you on crack? Yes it does imply this....

homo = man, phobic = irrational fear --- homophobic == irrational fear of gay men and women (however, homo does imply the human race, so maybe the emphasis should just be on the word gay...) -- where did gay come from again? certainly not phobic, hence homo... calling a gay person a homo, in the US at least, is very derogatory...

I'm all about replacing a bunch of random words to things like "I'm stupid" -- especially SDL... those creeps... ;)

You should totally change "homophobic" to "afraid of rainbows"

LennyLen
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December 2004
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Ummm, are you on crack? Yes it does imply this....

You really need a new catch phrase, 'are you on crack' is getting really tired.

I doubt that the original author of the term intended for it to be considered 'correct'. It's just a term. In case you hadn't noticed (perhaps you've had too much crack yourself), but many terms we use are not 'correct'. Some are coined because they sound catchy, some are coined because they are simplifications of an otherwise awkward terminology... I hope you're catching my drift, or has the crack not worn off yet?

It doesn't take much brain power to understand that the 'homo' in this instance is not being used as a 'correct' synonym for homosexual, but that it's used more like an abbreviation.

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homo = man

The homo in homophobic (which is really a shortened form of homosexualphobic is usually considered to be homo = same, not homo = man.

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calling a gay person a homo, in the US at least, is very derogatory...

Who is calling anyone a homo?

Evert
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November 2000
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homo = man,

In Latin, yes. In this case, the origin is Greek, so it means `[the] same' or `similar'.

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where did gay come from again? certainly not phobic, hence homo... calling a gay person a homo, in the US at least, is very derogatory...

I don't follow your ethymology at all. `homo' is short for `homosexual', not `homophobia'.

Kitty Cat
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I don't follow your ethymology at all. `homo' is short for `homosexual', not `homophobia'.

The term homo (when used as a shortened form of the noun homosexual) is generally considered derogatory slang, at least in the US.. ie. "Are you a homo?" is generally taken as offensive. When used as a noun, I think homosexual is the only word not considered offnsive. Adjectives, though, have a bit more leeway. "Are you homo?" isn't quite as offensive, though not quite politically correct, either. "Are you gay?" is typically what you'll hear in non-offensive speech.

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Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I have a problem with this statement:

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homo = man, phobic = irrational fear --- homophobic == irrational fear of gay men and women

Just what mail-order catalog did you pull "gay" and "and women" out of? :P ;)

According solely to the above: If homo means man, and phobic is irrational fear, that would make homophobic an irrational fear of men. Which could refer to someone who was raped by a man and is now terrified of men in general.

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Guys.. This is a pointless debate.

I don't know. It's best not to refrain from talking about things just because they're taboo, at least on the Internet.

And besides, there's all kinds of interesting facts you find in these discussions like:

Evert said:

Quote: homo = man,

In Latin, yes. In this case, the origin is Greek, so it means `[the] same' or `similar'.

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X-G
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December 2000
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It's best not to refrain from talking about things just because they're taboo, at least on the Internet.

That's not the reason it's pointless, though... it's pointless because you're getting your panties all in a bunch about the etymology of a god damn word. Seriously, this whole thread is downright ridiculous.

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Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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Yes, X-G understands what I meant to say.

manjula
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June 2003
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fags!

Marcello
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January 2002
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smoking is bad, k?

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