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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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So you think you are the excellent designer? Don't answer on that. You got critics.

If I thought so, I'd be creating logos left and right. If I were good, then people would like them.

But I don't think I am, so I don't create logos, and people don't have to look at them. ::)

Mordredd
Member #5,291
December 2004
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If I thought so, I'd be creating logos left and right. If I were good, then people would like them.

But I don't think I am, so I don't create logos, and people don't have to look at them.

Nice answer ( that is not irony ).

But imagine you would have to create a logo. Would such an answer satisfy you? No. And see, this is my situation. I have to create a logo. I was always confronted with tasks in my life that usually were too difficult to me to solve. Somehow I managed to do so. Let me have a third try. But before I begin to try again, any suggestions? ( beside a simple logo )

Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001

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Uhm, I should know that it hurts to be declared as the standard.

Your "declaration" is of absolutely no consequence to me.

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Do you know what children do when you ask them a thing they don't know anything about? They start to laugh. Unfortunately, even some adult people did not change in their behaviour while growing up.

No one is laughing at you. Everyone's crying, including Baby Jesus.

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But before I begin to try again, any suggestions?

Consider a career change.

You may be a great designer/"ahead of your time"/whatever in the pocket universe you have created - but in this one, you are Uwo Boll of graphical design.

spellcaster
Member #1,493
September 2001
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Um.. if you don't want to hear the answers, don't ask.
If I had to create a logo, I'd try to do some research first -as in checking logos that are well known. Then I'd try to find out why these logos are well known.
I'd then mark those that appear to me most.

Then I'd ask myself some questions, like
- what purpose should my logo have?
- do I want an imagetype with text, just text or just an image

Say you want to have a text only logo, what purpose does it have?
It should identify my company, so it should be easy to read. It should be able to symbolize my company, so it should be elegant and to the point.

If I want something fancy, I'd then create some sort of flight over the logo, assemble the logo, blend it in, etc - but at the end, there should be a simple, easy to read and to the point logo. Maybe with a voice pronouncing the name of the company - simply because I want the viewer knows the name of the company. And is able to pronounce it ;)

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Mordredd
Member #5,291
December 2004
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Your behaviour is almost ridicoulous. Calm down. ( -> Inphernic )

This is more simple, but I don't like the colors.

http://www.jray.de/Jackgames5.jpg

Spellcaser, I am trying to get a mix between the things to have said and the things I would like to bring in. This is an iterative process.

Steve Terry
Member #1,989
March 2002
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Ok make the outline of the text white, black, green, SOMETHING, and the backround one color... then it will be good.

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spellcaster
Member #1,493
September 2001
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Your logo reads:

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ack Games
Kcvoduun CNIKplny

Yep, that's great. Use that.

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Mordredd
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December 2004
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Wohow, yes, you are right spellcaster.

http://www.jray.de/Jackgames6.jpg

THIS is perf-ect ::)

Inphernic
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March 2001

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Your behaviour is almost ridicoulous.

You get what you order. I was just trying to help, and you devolved into a retard on me. Breaking news - you are ridiculous.

That new "Kcvoduun CNIKplny" logo is slightly less fugly, but fugly nevertheless. Sense of style is not something you can obtain from a message board.

spellcaster
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September 2001
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THIS is perf-ect ::)

Well, at least I can now read the name. That's a big plus if you want people to know the name of your team.

I'm just not sure what "Revolution Gameplay" is supposed to mean? Do you mean "Revolutionary Gameplay"?

Anyway, if you don't want to hear the aswers, please don't ask.
Try to use a smaller font size, line them up nicely, use a typeface / spacing that allows you to lineup "revolution gameplay" on the same horizontal space as your "Jack Games" typeface, and you have a nice start.

Don't get my wrong, but even "rainbow arts" used less aggressive colors.

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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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But before I begin to try again, any suggestions? ( beside a simple logo )

Google for Creating Logos. You'll get tons of sites and tuts. There is a site mentioned on the SF Allegro Logo page for making logos and web buttons. If making a logo is so hard then that is a sign you are trying too hard and need to keep it simple. Simple usually can be something as easy as - single font, single color, solid background color, and preferably no images. I'll post my logo later on (it's as simple as I cared to make it).

Mordredd
Member #5,291
December 2004
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I was just trying to help

Thanks for your help.

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Sense of style is not something you can obtain from a message board.

That was my lesson today.

spellcaster
Member #1,493
September 2001
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Geez.
Everything we say bounces :)
Just create a logo, use it and love it. Don't ask for opinions though, you might not like them. And if you really think that an unreadable logo is the way to go and that it'll make you famous / something special - by all means use an unreadable logo.

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Mordredd
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December 2004
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See, my problem is the following: How do I create a logo that consists of many colors/ is somewhat more complicated and simultaneously well readable? This seems to exclude each other...

da_flo
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February 2002
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See, my problem is the following: How do I create a logo that consists of many colors/ is somewhat more complicated and simultaneously well readable? This seems to exclude each other...

I think people were trying to tell you that for a long time...

Rampage
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December 2002
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Why would you want many colors? Best designs use just a few colors and those colors are not aggresive and are easy on the eyes (not red on green or deep blue on dark purple, for example).

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Here's what google has to say about logo design.

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Mordredd
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December 2004
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miran
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June 2002

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I just want an argument that says why I have to make it simple. That's all.

What will you do when your company becomes big? You will have to print your logo on business cards, CDs, t-shirts, baseball caps and the sky. How do you expect to do that with a very complex logo? To make it "portable" a logo has to work in all sizes, on all (or at least many) backgrounds and on all materials and textures. That's one argument. Simple logos are practical.

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Rampage
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December 2002
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If you watch your example carefully, you'll notice that the letters are clear and readable. The complexity is on the drawing, and that's well composited and has smooth transitions between colors.

-R

Matt Smith
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November 2000

What will your logo look like printed on the spine of a CD case? or as a 16x16 icon?

Steve Terry
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March 2002
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Micah, if you look at most of those logos the max colors used for the logo is TWO, no gradients, just TWO colors. Pick two colors you like and use them in the logo, one color for New Jack Games and one for Revolution Gameplay.

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spellcaster
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September 2001
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What colors do you want? And why?
Colors have a meaning in most cultures, so you should use colors with a positive connotation in your desired target markets.

Colors should be used to transport a meaning. Don't use colors just because you can.

Designing a logo is much like designing a program. You'll have to think about what you want first. Then think about why you want it. And then you can start throwing ideas around.
When you have finished something compare it with your goals.

Do you have example logotypes you like? If so, please provide some links.
And please use company logos :)

Also, what is your goal with youor logo? What colors do you want to use? Why?
What feeling should the viewer have? Where do you want to place your logo? Splash screen of a game? Company Website? Company letters? T-Shirts?

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hazul
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February 2004
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If it has to be 3d and out-of-the-ordinary, why not use something from your sketches? This one's a quick example that kind of looks like an IOTD I saw.

http://hazul.net/jack.jpg

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Mordredd
Member #5,291
December 2004
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Despite from any concrete idea, I want to transfer the message of something totally new. And I have no idea which color could express novelty.

If look at most of the companies logos, they consist of the colors white and blue. That expresses some mood of solidity. Calmness.

I want exactly the opposite. ( don't make jokes now about the solidity ;) )

Inphernic
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March 2001

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Thanks for your help. / That was my lesson today.

Please, spare me from your "witty irony".



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