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Trezker
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And the offtopicness award goes to hazul... ???

I don't like the idea that the future is predictable, meaning our timeline is set in stone. I want to have real intelligense and not just be a machine whos choices depend on physical laws.

I think this thread has gone sidetrack...

Evert
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I don't like the idea that the future is predictable, meaning our timeline is set in stone. I want to have real intelligense and not just be a machine whos choices depend on physical laws.

You'll be glad to learn that according to the laws of physics, the future is not predictable.

kazzmir
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I want to have real intelligense and not just be a machine whos choices depend on physical laws.

But maybe unhappy to learn that you are just an incredibly complex machine.

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Actually, the logic behind the Bible Code is pretty sensible. It's a load of crap, but it's not stupid crap.

Yeah but it doesn't matter at all what the 'code' actually is. If someone comes up with the code, or the information, after some event has happened then they cannot say that they predicted it. There are countless possible codes that would seem logical, but they are still just codes that some crackpot made up so that they could squeeze something out of the book that vaguely resembles what is going on. No one has managed to come up with anything like that to get what will happen, only what has happened - surprise surprise.

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But maybe unhappy to learn that you are just an incredibly complex machine.

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Johan Halmén
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23yrold3yrold
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Yeah but it doesn't matter at all what the 'code' actually is. If someone comes up with the code, or the information, after some event has happened then they cannot say that they predicted it.

The entire point was that the predictions couldn't be found until after the fact, though. It's like sealing a prediction in an envelope and giving it to a friend (so you can't cheat), then telling him to open it after the event. :)

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Trezker
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It's like sealing a prediction in an envelope and giving it to a friend (so you can't cheat), then telling him to open it after the event.

But that's different, the prediction really exists before the event.
Depends on type of prediction though, it could be something obvious or something cryptic that could be interpreted as true no matter the outcome. But it could also be a precise prediction, like, you're gonna get a straight flush in the third hand, in which case it's very spooky.

Evert
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Actually, the logic behind the Bible Code is pretty sensible. It's a load of crap, but it's not stupid crap. :)

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There are countless possible codes that would seem logical, but they are still just codes that some crackpot made up so that they could squeeze something out of the book that vaguely resembles what is going on.

I read The DaVinci Code not too long back. The plot is based on hidden messages in texts, double meanings, cryptography and anagrams - including texts from the bible or ancient works of art. All very cleverly found and put together to suggest a consistent whole, but fiction none the less (though Dan Brown apparently thinks differently). You can apparently find whatever you want to find as long as you search long enough and selectively discard information that doesn't fit.
I wouldn't trust anyone seriously trying to find a hidden message in the bible to find something more reliable. In the end, all such hidden meanings and predictions found in the bible or the works of Nostradamus are utter nonsense.

Johan Halmén
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September 2001

Love thy neighbour! Now why do people search for hidden messages in the Bible, when the open message should be the important thing?

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

23yrold3yrold
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But that's different, the prediction really exists before the event.

Then it's not different at all. ::)

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Chris Katko
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Anybody can go around saying that such-and-such 'predicted' such-and-such event. But the whole thing is just stupid if the predictions are made after the event. These people say that they've found the special code for understanding the bible (or whatever), and if you use this special code to read the bible then it tells you that this terrible event will happen.
I could go around saying that I've finally found a way to understand what my cat is saying, and my cat actually told me about this tsunami a few weeks ago. But it really means nothing at all unless I tell you about it before the event; otherwise I could easilly have just made up the language after the event, and hense made up the meaning after the event - which is not predicting.
Then on the other end of the spectrum, there are those other idiots that just 'predict' as many things as they can tell people about so that at least some of them come true. Then when one of there predicts is actually correct, people tend to forget about all the mistakes and just be amazed by the correct prediction! (horoscopes often work in this way, along with being a bit fuzzy so the predictions can be interpreted however best suits the reader).

I thought I said that... just with less words... ;)

Though, you know why they're trying to figure out the bible code, right? Stock market numbers, oh baby! 8-)

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