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kdevil
Member #1,075
March 2001
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Time to comment on that site... Quote: 4. "Bigger is better" hystery Forgive me for being such an ignorant American, but by 'hystery' does this guy mean histeria, history, or something completely different? Quote: 16. Internet censorshp If it's censored, why can I go to a "USA Haters Homepage?" Quote: 23. PC, bill gates and micro$oft Since, according to the last poll here, everyone on allegro.cc uses a PC, I think we should be angry about the first part of this one. Quote: 46. They think their country is in the center of the world, while the truth is, that Europe is in the center. I can only hope he's kidding on this one. Yes, Europe is in the center, according to eurocentricists. Hypocrite. Quote: Here are 101 good reasons to hate USA and yanks! I only see 54, 55 counting the map.:-/ As for the rest, it's either true or too stupid and trivial for me to bother with. ----- |
Sp0oNSoFT2o0O
Member #983
February 2001
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I'd really like to get in on this thread. However I get too emotional on threads and matthew tends to ban me (several times) so I won't post my opinion especially to that commy bastard. 53. Filthy stinking yanks never remove their shoes indoors. I always remove my damn shoes. I'll give everyone in Europe I reason to love this stincking country. Hitler would have taken over the world. Had it not been for people Like my Grandfather. Part of the greatest generation. All European Jews would be dead. Everything would be gone. Hitler had everything taken care of He would have won. If we hadn't persecuted the indians and started this country there would be nothing but easy a$$ indians over here for Hitlers men to easily kill. AND they would have killed them all... -- "There are very few problems in the world that can't be cured by the appropriate amount of high explosives." "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his." Shit, I'm out of quotes... |
miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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Quote: most people are satisfied with what they've already got This is exactly why communism would never work in a country like the USA? Your government just tells you to be happy with what you have and you don't complain! Quote: Hitler would have taken over the world. Had it not been for people Like my Grandfather. If you really think that it was America that won the war the you really are stupid. -- |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: What's the deal with free healthcare? Why not free food? Free lodging? Free video games. Healthcare is an insurance issue. You would net get lodging or video game insurance. By making healthcare free for all you ensure two things : Those are the principles upon which free healthcare was implemented, certainly in my country. Its all about equality, rather than running a system which better aids those who have happened to come off good in the lottery of life. Its about recognising that opportunity is not available for all, despite our politicians claims and occasionally best intentions. Unfortunately it tends not to be so true any more due to the rise of health insurance in addition to the state services, but that is beside the point and a historical adjunct to the rise of comprehensive health care free at the point of delivery. Quote: Hitler had everything taken care of He would have won Thats funny. Historians have it that opening a second front in Russia and becoming involved in things like the siege of Stalingrad were the main blow to Hitler's ambitions, with additional side notes to the unwillingness of many invaded countries to go along with Naziism leading to an increasingly thinly spread power base, while the Americans were principly involved in the war for the Pacific. But, of course, I'm sure we all await your authoritative text. Of course, if the man your grandad had voted into presidency hadn't reneged on his promises to help with the war from the very beginning then this might be a different conversation. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
superstar4410
Member #926
January 2001
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Quote: Government sponsered health care is not a big issue in USA, because most people are satisfied with what they've already got Actually no, most people are not satisfied with what they have, I'm a social work major computer science minor, and health care is a big issue in the control and theres a big debate about the cost and how much control government should have, and no most people are not satisfied based on the stats. Quote: I can honestly say that I don't know a single person who hates people from Iraq, North Korea or Cuba,
And what nieghborhood do you live in? So oh yea people here still hate, maybe the reason it isn't evident to you is cause your not the person they hate. Quote: Your government just tells you to be happy with what you have and you don't complain! Actually no, in America everyone so it seems is trying to achieve the American dream, never being satisfied with what you had and always coveting what your neighorhood has, and getting the most recently advertised car, appliances, house, etc. But overall Yea we here in America do lots of things that well I dont agree with, but no countries perfect. We have lots of freedoms which few countries get. And unlike some countries we don't treat women with such great disrespect. And though there is a class system (which many fail to realize) its easier to move up and down this ladder than compared to other countries. Yea so to the guy who made that webpage, yea American isn' perfect , but named any country that doesn't have its list of flaws, you could named any country and tons of people would say things aobut it that they hate. All we can do is strive to be more humane with our relationship with other countries, but I can tell in the near future, that other countries are going to see us (America) as a threat because of our military aggression, and they are going to unite aganist us. Don't take yourself too seriously, but do take your responsibilities very seriously. |
Idealius
Member #1,619
November 2001
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For Reference: I live in the USA. Hmmm, I agree with everything Thomas has posted except that last post: Who's to say what would have happened if America didn't attack Germany when it did -- looking past the mistakes we made. We did attack and therefore we receive some credit for it because people risked and lost their lives. I'm not saying we should think we're better than any other country because of it. It's like the UK, I'm sure you guys are really proud of your achievements in the war, but many "feudal" lords mades some mistakes because they were taken in with the whole Nazi thing too. Just don't say we messed up this, or they messed up that, because it just ends up being a pissing match. It was easy back when there was valued land that empires didn't consider "settled" (the fact they were doesn't really matter, because the natives couldn't do much about europeans conquering them.) Back then it was all a big game of Risk where you balanced getting more land with protecting the land you had. Now everyone's over-protecting their assets, but there's no more land to conquer, so they're squabbling over petty sh$3 instead. I think it's stupid for we USA'ers to think so much of ourselves and accept the fact we have more food on our plates than some other countries, but honestly, if you lived here, you wouldn't do anything about it or know what to do about it either. For example, the UK has the same problem, just not to such a high degree. And no one can do anything about it until we blow all of ourselves up*, or get seperate governments to say screw JUST "getting along", let's permanently unite, and not for military gain, but for world peace?! <- wouldn't that be the day. *In no way do I support "blow[ing] all of ourselves up" Sorry I had such a long post, but lately I've been getting really mad about foreign relations in the US. Hell, I even emailed the president the other day. Not because emailing him would get his attention, but because I knew it wouldn't and I did it anyway. And sorry for the semi-stream-of-conciousness form of writing, but it's quicker to communicate if everything isn't so formal. |
superstar4410
Member #926
January 2001
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***Check out my previous post*** Quote: Their "Music"
Whats this dudes smoking? Don't take yourself too seriously, but do take your responsibilities very seriously. |
Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001
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nicholle : I apologize for my earlier behaviour and hope I didn't insult you. Heh, this whole mess started when Spoon opened his/her/its extraordinarily big mouth and started slandering people he/she/it didn't even know about. The conversation then escalated to pointless bickering and exchange of bullets, but enough of that though. And oh, that page is a troll, as is the rest of that site. I'm not the author of that page though, but I'm responsible for pasting that link in #allegro. Quote: Whats this dudes smoking? What are YOU smoking? -- |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: Who's to say what would have happened if America didn't attack Germany when it did -- looking past the mistakes we made. We did attack and therefore we receive some credit for it because people risked and lost their lives. I'm not saying we should think we're better than any other country because of it. No, no, I didn't mean the input of America was useless and I didn't mean to enter into a conversation about which country made the most significant input - the fact is the Allies won that war, not the Americans, not the British, not the Russians, not the Indians (i.e. from India), not anyone in particular. Quote: It's like the UK, I'm sure you guys are really proud of your achievements in the war, Oh god, please don't get them started. This country (the UK) is virtually in terminal decline thanks to small minded backward looking people who do things like attach particular significant to football matches with Argentina and Germany principly because of war related histories, and say stupid things like "no to the euro, because we've only ever had trouble from europe - what about those Nazis and the periods for which Spain and Portugal were dictatorships, and what about De Gaulle? WHAT ABOUT DE GAULLE?". But at least he'll always have Paris! [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Aleksey
Member #2,416
June 2002
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I am surprised you are even discussing this. Though I might not like a lot of things about the US, and which are pointed out on that page (to my surprise), one could hardly overestimate how pathetic that site is. Quote: Hitler would have taken over the world. Had it not been for people Like my Grandfather. I'm dumb!, give me a break. The only country that gets credit for defeating Hitler is Russia (Soviet Union ib that period). All of the Europe was taken in the matter of days. And war was going on for 5 years. |
Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001
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Quote: The guy is clearly a retard, as are quite a few people that sent him their defensive comments. http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=troll And if you didn't get it for the first time, start over and read again until you get it. -- |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: All of the Europe was taken in the matter of days I am very upset that my country is apparently no longer a part of Europe, and I expect many others such as the Maltese and the Irish will have similar issues, but never mind. Anyway, I am writing again because I have noticed a surprisingly timed article in today's Independant (a UK newspaper), main section page 18 by Fergal Keane (also a BBC Special Correspondant) entitled 'If only people were more intelligent when they talk about America'. Some quotes from it : Quote: There is at least in the US a return to open-minded questioning of the executive and Mr Bush's inadequacies are being savagely exposed. Yet the same Americans who can criticise Bush and recognise the wrongs of US policy find themselves routinely harangued by know-all Europeans. An American woman at another human rights meeting in Oxford came up afterwards and said : "I wanted to ask a question but I worried what people would say when they heard my accent."
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Sp0oNSoFT2o0O
Member #983
February 2001
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Of cource there were other countrys that fought Germany. But What I was saying is If it not been for the US getting involved when they did Germany would have won. That doesn't mean we beat them alone, You moron. Also Russia is garbage. THe people are poor and stupid as theyhave always been. Does anyone remember that Russia signed a treaty with Germany. a treaty Hitler broke. All the russians did was run from Hitler. they would have taken care of those morrons It was the supprise attack that got him. The Russians were just destroying useful shit of theirs and running that was there tactics. Or do you idiot commys read different history books. -- "I wonder why some of the so-called guardians of freedom are so anxious to register guns and so reluctant to register Communists." |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: as the bitter Russian joke would have it .. If we're doing old jokes, let us not forget the one about American foreign policy being based around shame at having been late for the last two world wars and therefore a want to be really really early for the next one. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Bob
Free Market Evangelist
September 2000
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Quote: Here in Ontario Canada, most health care is free It's not "free", it's publically funded. You still end up pay for it, though indirectly. You also pay a lot less than you think. Quote: 3. Barney
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Uhh.. matthew.. you're sorta wrong here: Quote: Government sponsered health care is not a big issue in USA, because most people are satisfied with what they've already got Two things that I think are bad, are happening. The US hates their health care. I'm unsure of ALL the states, but I know Michigan is attempting to make their health care more like Canada's (yeah, I know it's technically not 'free'.. but it's 'easier'). Ontario is (or was.. that mike harris bozo was messing up our health system) attempting to make their health care more like the US.. where you pay $500 for your broken arm. Health insurance isn't quite as common here. It gets you 80% off your dental work and your perscription drugs.. so it's not really worth it unless you have a big family.. or a lot of health problems :p I pay (or rather, my parents) $20 a month for some pills I'm on.. .. .. but, then again.. we send the bill to my insurance company and they pay for it.. .. ...but that's not health insurance That's car insurance.. wow.. I just realized how screwed up that is.. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: Health insurance isn't quite as common here. It gets you 80% off your dental work and your perscription drugs.. so it's not really worth it unless you have a big family.. or a lot of health problems :p I pay (or rather, my parents) $20 a month for some pills I'm on.. .. .. I get most of that free through my health plan at work. Pays for 100% of dental bills, free glasses, all that stuff. Plus compensation for losing eyes or thumbs or major limbs since most of the equipment here have some nasty blades on them (they ain't called arm saws for nuthin'). I can't go hog wild and get 100 free glasses, but I have a pretty high limit. -- |
Aleksey
Member #2,416
June 2002
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That's a typical attitude, Sp0oNSoFT2o0O. |
Cage
Member #1,277
March 2001
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Quote: By americans, I mean the country. The political leaders chosen by it's people. Ha ha. Ha. I find that quite amusing - have you seen a U.S. election recently?
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Sp0oNSoFT2o0O
Member #983
February 2001
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Aleksey, I will take you apart my friend. I'll make you examin the different aspects of your culture. I'll make you look at history more clearly. And forgive me if I sound Biased you see I live in a free country and you can do that kind of stuff here. I imagine you wouldn't be able to do that publically 30 years ago in whatever crappy iron curtain country you live in. What the hell does it matter This will get erased also(frustrating tyrants like matthew). I don't beleive i was biased. please Aleskey give examples of me being biased.;) "Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free market, and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph Hamor wrote that after the switch there was 'plenty of food, which every man by his own industry may easily and doth procure.' He said that when the socialist system had prevailed, 'we reaped not so much corn from the labors of 30 men as three men have done for themselves now.' " |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Quote: have you seen a U.S. election recently? Well, I know US elections are a little screwed up.. cuz didn't Al Gore actually win by vote count? Mind you, I don't pay attention much to the US politics other than what I see on TV.. but, my point was sorta that the people DO elect the president/etc (in SOME form )... and the people that are elected represent the people of the country for the rest of the world.... that and the media, of course... but I think it's safe to say they're the same thing, in the end...pretty much.. I live somewhat close to detroit michigan (closest 'big' city in the US to me) and I get the detroit news on TV It's rather sickening to watch. Seriously. They have silly 3D animations for something serious, and use humorous phrases where humor is not appropriate. One specific report was about a kid getting beat by his parents. The news guy was saying things like "We've got a case of a bad report card.".. cuz I guess his parent's weren't happy about his report card or something.. but then a 3D report card with D's on it fly's onto the screen and a pencil falls onto it.. ....wtf? Who the hell's idea was it to throw that in? I started chuckling cuz I figured it was a joke. Then they started talking about the beating and what not.. so I was forced to change the channel. Am I the only one that finds that.. sorta.. uhh.. messed up? The whole attack on america thing was a little messed up too imo tho I guess. There was no need to show the planes going into the towers over, and over, and over, and over. No need at all. It gives me the feeling that americans like to watch that sorta stuff.. that they're violet people.. Then there was america strikes back.. thank god that didn't last as long as the attack on america news casts.. I didn't really understand why the public had to know what kind of weapons were being used.. as if anyone knows or cares about the Z952 K7 Tactic Model Covert Missile, with Plutonium Warheads Anyhoo.. I do hope this is the last thread like this "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Quote: cuz didn't Al Gore actually win by vote count? No, the Florida vote count itself was the controversy - which was worth enough 'points' that whoever won that state would win the whole election. Several independant researchers (Newspapers, etc) ended up going back and doing their own counting of the Florida votes and they all came to the same conclusion that Bush did indeed have more votes than Gore, from a range of just a few dozen to several hundred - depending on what was considered a 'vote'. But in regards to your question, it is possible for a guy to become President without having the majority of votes, but it would be exteremely rare. (Well, the 'Electorial College' could always vote against their pledge, but that most likely isn't going to happen.) The system sounds weird (and quite possibly is), but considering that America is essentially 50 different states it isn't all that dumb. (Ie, to become President, you must win the popular vote in enough States - where the larger states are worth more `points'.) In the long run of things, it ends up being the same as popular vote. Plus, I think only 40% or so of eligible voters even participate in a typical election, so it's impossible to say who the majority of public even wanted - when the majority don't even vote. I think it's a pretty pathetic number, but then I don't know how it compares to other countries. |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Veering slightly off topic, I found an interesting 'timeline of democracy' at http://www.fordemocracy.net/timeline.shtml. Some key dates : -- 1517 : Martin Luther, German scholar, publishes 95 theses, launching the Reformation in Europe 1619 : First representative colonial assembly in America held at Jamestown, VA, under Governor Sir George Yeardley 1628 : The Petition of Right provides freedom of speech and bans cruel or unusual punishment, further strengthening Parliament in England 1690 : English philosopher John Locke argues in his book, Two Treatises, that the government's job under the "social contract" is to protect "natural rights", including what he calls "the right to life, liberty, and the ownership of property" 1776 : The United States declares independence 1787 : The American Constitution and Bill of Rights are established The original U.S. Constitution permits the states to allow only white male property owners to vote or to hold an elected office. This is not changed until the 1820s. Slavery is not abolished in the U.S. until the 13th Amendment to the constitution made slavery illegal in 1865 The 14th Amendment (1868) states that all citizens of the US have equal protection under the laws. The 15th (1870) gives the right to vote to all male citizens The 19th Amendment (1920) gives all women the right to vote, 131 years after the U.S. Constitution is written The Civil Rights Act of 1964 makes any discrimination on the basis of "race, religion, national origin, sex, or physical handicaps" illegal The 26th Amendment (1971) gives anyone over 18 the right to vote 1789 : The French "Declaration of the Rights of Man" assert that people have the right to "liberty, property, security, and resistance to oppression" The new French government bans slavery in all territory under French control 1893 : New Zealand becomes the first nation to fully establish a system of universal suffrage So, there we have it. Democracy is a jewish/christian/muslim idea, politically helped forwards by events in Germany, experimented with by a British colony and then brought closer to a real implementation by non-colonial Brits, eventually adopted and improved by the USA and France both at pretty much the same time, and implemented fully for the first time in New Zealand - the only proper pre-20th century democracy. Haven't we all learnt a lot? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Here's an IRC log (abridged). Sp0oN2oo2 was talking about Britain. <Sp0oN2oo2> isn't there a camera on every corner entheh So now we know why America's so great - you can drop litter without getting in trouble! God bless America... (I know not everyone's like that, and I doubt you get in trouble for littering in Britain either, so this isn't an attack on the US. It's just interesting that Sp0oN chose this as a reason why the US is so great. I didn't say it was surprising. Only interesting. ) -- |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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So are they, like, invading your privacy by recording what you do in public, or something? Or just taking away people's God-given right to collectivly coat the street with 2 inches of chocolate bar wrappers? Welcome back, Sp0on -- |
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