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SantaHack 2011
Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I'll just borrow the internet from someone

Ackk! :-X You can't do that! I'm using it!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

l j
Member #10,584
January 2009
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I'll just use someone else's internet connection.

Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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I'll just steal someone else's internet connection.

EDIT: Revision fail. ;D

TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
My games: [GiftCraft] - [Blocky Rhythm[SH2011]] - [Elven Revolution] - [Dune Smasher!]

Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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You must stream mod files. Loading them as samples won't work.

That is good to know! Works now.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I've just deployed another wave of updates on the site, including finishing up the voting system.

Just to rehash for those who haven't read the rules - in just under 8 hours, voting begins. At that point, you may no longer sign up or edit your wishlist. TL;DR: register if you want to, and make sure your wishlist is complete.

Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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It's kicking arses in Santa's factory. Help him to shoot mad elves and give back the factory freedom

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Some kind of simple RTS involving snowball throwing

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Oh no! Santa's helpers have turned into zombies and are threatening the very heart of Christmas, but there is also a twist!

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A strategy game, maybe realtime or turn based...probably with some kind of combat system

Some of these rules are asking me to rehash my CH09 entry. :P

TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
My games: [GiftCraft] - [Blocky Rhythm[SH2011]] - [Elven Revolution] - [Dune Smasher!]

Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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Good luck to all the participants. I withdrew from it. I realized that with my current experience I couldn't make a game in 7 days. Have fun!

Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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In my opinion these kinds of events are the best way to gain experience in the first place. You have to try to be realistic and aim for something that is doable in that timeframe but while still trying to push yourself a bit so that you improve, for example trying to implement a part of the game using a technique you haven't used before but always wanted to try.

The end result really doesn't matter. It is when you focus hard to accomplish a task and to get a result that you start to understand how games are supposed to be structured and organized. I think many do the mistake to create the perfect "engine" or whatever and getting nowhere because of either perfectionism or inexperience of what actually works and how things fit together. These events help you understand this, and while your end result might look like shit from both the user perspective as well as the coding perspective, you'll have gained an understanding on what is reusable for future projects and what will work or not work the next time, thus helping you build up a foundation for said "engine". This is news to no one really, but always worth repeating.

If you simply don't have the time then that's another case of course. I'm quite sure I was overly optimistic myself, but goddamnit I must try! :)

AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Only 18 competitors ? What do you fear guys, Join !!

I have no time right now... I couldn't justified the time spent on it right now. But I swear that I'll participate in one of this competitions some day goddammit!.

@Arvidsson

Don't waste your time... Specter Phoenix suffers Bipolar disorder (historically known as manic–depressive disorder), practically this:

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Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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If you simply don't have the time then that's another case of course.

I only have 3 days for this compo, so I'm gonna call it SpeedSantaHack. :-X

TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc.
My games: [GiftCraft] - [Blocky Rhythm[SH2011]] - [Elven Revolution] - [Dune Smasher!]

Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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Don't waste your time...

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, merely offering some advice for people who might feel like him when it comes to being not sufficiently experienced and finishing projects in general. I've succumbed to this myself on many occasions, and what it gets down to is basically either you're motivated enough to finish it or you're not. It doesn't matter what it is, could be of any scale really, the finishing part is the really gratifying thing though.

Major reasons why people don't finish stuff (aside from a drop in motivation because motivation is a fickle thing):

  • Trying to create a perfect engine or framework and thus you're not really creating anything tangible. You end up in a constant loop of improving the engine, concluding it must be shit since you don't create anything with it and then you end up starting over from scrap because this time you have a better plan/idea/whatever

  • Trying to create something that's already been done before and is either way over you head (an MMORPG anyone?) or you're doomed to end up trying to create something that most certainly will be much inferior to the original idea (due to working alone and/or not having enough talent when it comes to art and sfx) which of course hurts motivation

  • Trying to create something that is an awesome idea but then you get another great idea and then another one, and in a few years you have a folder of plenty of cool projects that are going nowhere

There is no easy solution to how to actually finish something, but trying doesn't hurt. Motivation is a hard thing to master, and experience itself doesn't really guarantee completion, mostly it's just hard work and sticking to it no matter what.

And even though programming is mostly just a hobby for many people, and thus you should only do it if it's fun, there are parts of anything you want to master that's not really fun. I'm pretty good at playing piano but I hate practicing it. Luckily I pick things up fairly quickly, and when I have learned a piece I love to play it over and over until someone cries out for me to stop. Mastery is what we like, but getting there is often a pain in the butt. However, if mastery isn't worth the grief and the fun is nowhere to be found anywhere then obviously you should do something else.

Life lesson ends here.

Dario ff said:

I only have 3 days for this compo, so I'm gonna call it SpeedSantaHack.

Yeah, I'm in a similar boat. Basically have to be done by the 20th because that's when I'm taking the flight home. Might have some time after that but my family will probably require me to do social things.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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An immovable deadline, such as the one a competition provides, can help you not get stuck in the futile analysis paralysis loop. You just need to become more results oriented, and not stress so much about perfect code and design along the way. It doesn't hurt to strive for a well thought out design/codebase, but when you don't have time to be constantly refactoring and rewriting code, you tend to get a lot more done than you expected. :P

Elias
Member #358
May 2000

I can only confirm this. For example I took part in several ludumdare 48 hours competitions in the past and only once did I score in the top 3 in any category. It was the one time when I didn't have the full weekend and instead opted to just make a very simple game in a few hours. Knowing how little time I have I opted to simply writing a text adventure. I think in the end it had 5 different rooms with 2 or 3 dialogs in each, playing the complete game took only a few minutes. And yet somehow I managed to get high ratings in the "humor" category and won 3rd place in it.

So now while from a technology standpoint it's the worst ld48 entry I ever coded, it seems to be the one people most enjoyed playing. Even though I completely skipped on the usual core parts of any game like graphics or collision detection.

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GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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Don't give a fuck to what you're going to give as a gift. Gie it your best, and that's all.

Also, I just can only second what Arvidsson and BAF said. Don't focus too much, do it !!

"Code is like shit - it only smells if it is not yours"
Allegro Wiki, full of examples and articles !!

Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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Specter Phoenix suffers Bipolar disorder (historically known as manic–depressive disorder)

You may want to look into that a little more. Every case I've ever heard about people with BPD were violent due to poor temper control due to BPD. I'm not violent. BPD got huge press when several actors and actresses came forward about their BPD. Linda Hamilton (Sarah Connor from Terminator) said all her marriages failed because of her violent mood swings due to her BPD.

I'm just stressed because I have a wife and son, went to college foolishly thinking they would give me the skills needed to become a programmer. Finished with it and now 2 years out I'm no where near being a competent programmer. I doubt myself all the time when it comes to my programming. Easier to be down and doubt than be positive and do.

Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

I like your wishes, guys. This will be fun.

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Timorg
Member #2,028
March 2002

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@Specter Phoenix: I know quite a few people that suffer BPD, and they are all non violent. They quickly swing between overly excited to depressed, (or to a level of each). Neither of those states have any suggestion of violence. If they don't deal with it, it can lead to complications. If they are violent that is a sociopath disorder, which is unrelated, but sometimes people can unfortunately suffer both.

There is a big difference between a psychological problem and a psychiatric problem. BPD is a psychiatric one, where violence is a psychological one. (There are exceptions to this, where the chemical balance in their brain causes the violent behaviour.)

Sorry for the rant, I am one of the minimum required mentally unhealthy people on this forum. :P
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kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

I placed my votes based on how difficult to code the games might be (for me anyway), though I may still do some changes. Some ideas sound really fun.

Desmond Taylor
Member #11,943
May 2010
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I'm about to vote now and just installing Code::Blocks ect onto my new Laptop since it came today :D (yes this is my 2nd new system in the last 5 months :P)

I have been given the wireless key to my neighbours house too so now I have a decent connection from home until ours is fixed. She does turn her router off at nights but at least I can now get on the forums.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Desmond Taylor
Member #11,943
May 2010
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Voting now done and I voted on good ideas not ones I know that I can do. (Too many I's but couldn't think of any other way to put it) Noticed there is a lot of platform type wishes so I am going to learn some methods around that as I've never really gotten into the physics and collisions needed before.

Nice wishes guys :D

l j
Member #10,584
January 2009
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Quite interesting, what I thought was my most unoriginal and stupid wish, has got the highest votes of all my wishes now...

Kikaru
Member #7,616
August 2006
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Oh damn, did I miss registration?

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I did. :'(

Stupid finals.

MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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So, if Desmond's laptop breaks during the compo, how soon should we have the next hack to cause him to buy another computer?

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