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Heating by reverse air conditioner |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Hi all, Fact:
Alternative form of heating proposed:
Theory:
Conclusion:
Someone at work who's studied engineering didn't seem to agree with me. He was talking about some of the energy being lost as torque (presumably that means kinetic energy in the air outside), some being lost as chemical energy (what?), and all sorts of other losses I couldn't get him to enumerate. He's a very smart guy, but I don't think he's great at explaining what he means. In retrospect, I wonder if he was challenging conservation of energy. He gave me an example of compressing a spring (potential energy) and then dissolving it in acid, and asked me where that energy went. At the time, I couldn't understand what point he was trying to make. He also kept accidentally talking about "creating energy" and such, when he should have been talking about "converting energy". So I'm curious as to what you guys think. Discuss. -- |
Peter Hull
Member #1,136
March 2001
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I seem to remember at school that they said that all energy eventually dissipates in the form of heat (entropy or some such) If this is the case, how can any form of heating fail to be less than 100% efficient? Pete
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Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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It doesn't fail. The proposed new system takes some of its heat from the outdoors, so I'm hoping it is actually MORE than 100% efficient (if you measure 'heat entering room' against 'power supply consumed'). -- |
gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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You're basically correct. But geothermally sourced heat pumps are usually more efficient (if a bit less convenient) than air-sourced heat pumps (at least around here, geothermal is the only wide-spread heat pump solution for household heating). -- |
Jonatan Hedborg
Member #4,886
July 2004
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I'd say that a air-sourced heat pump is more efficient yes. But simply reversing an AC would probably not work very well.
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Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Woot, they exist already! I've just never heard of them before Thanks for the links [EDIT] -- |
Timorg
Member #2,028
March 2002
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AFAIK my Air-conditioner does this, I am pretty sure that's exactly what a reverse cycle AC does. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ |
lambik
Member #899
January 2001
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Funnily enough, I recently heard of a trial project where they use heating as an AC by pumping cool instead of warm water through the radiators. Not such a bad idea if you think about it. The summers over here are getting hotter and instead of introducing a new system for cooling, we could just adapt one that already exists in 90% of the houses. |
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