Portal 2 on PC
Desmond Taylor

Does anyone here own Portal 2 on the PC?

I brought it two days ago but it was late at night so I left it installing over night and played for over 10 hours strait yesterday. I have completed the Solo Campaign and I am now playing the Co-Op Game.

Anyone want to add me? - http://steamcommunity.com/id/ultimateslinky

BAF

I would have it, but thanks to Sony's incompetence, I cannot activate my free steam copy for the forseeable future.

Matthew Leverton

Anyone want to add me?

No, I do not. I have a little bit left to do on the single person campaign, then I'm selling my copy on eBay.

The game is absolutely a bore to play. It's so easy. It's as if each of the puzzles comes with an on screen instruction manual that tells you precisely how to solve them.

decepto

My Steam account says that I have 72 minutes played on the original Portal. Here's what I enjoyed about the game:

  • The portal gun is pretty fun to play with.

  • The controls are amazing. Very tight and responsive.

  • I like the humor and overall atmosphere.

Other than that, I found the game incredibly boring. I've tried playing it more, but it just doesn't hold my attention.

Desmond Taylor

No, I do not. I have a little bit left to do on the single person campaign, then I'm selling my copy on eBay.

Strait to the point.

decepto said:

Other than that, I found the game incredibly boring. I've tried playing it more, but it just doesn't hold my attention.

I will agree on that but with Portal you can download new map packs that are on the net. Portal 2, I'm not so sure yet. Just about to luck but since it's new I don't think there will be any at the moment.

Append: BAF, Yea that's why I brought a copy on Steam only. I don't like consoles since upgrading a PC is easier for me.

Mokkan

I'm waiting for the price to come down before I get it. I enjoyed the first one, so I'm guessing I'll like this one. But it sounds a bit short to justify paying $50 for it. :-/

MiquelFire

Add me: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MiquelFire

If I'm online at the same time, I'll play. I already beaten Co-op however, so you won't see the doors in the hub open as we complete the levels.

[edit] Looking at your profile, we might not be online at the same anyway.

BAF

Append: BAF, Yea that's why I brought a copy on Steam only. I don't like consoles since upgrading a PC is easier for me.

Wait, what? You don't upgrade a console.

The only problem at hand is that PSN is down, so I can't link my PSN account to my Steam account. Once I'm able to do that, I get a free Steam copy by virtue of having bought the PS3 version.

bamccaig
Mokkan said:

But it sounds a bit short to justify paying $50 for it. :-/

I don't know where you heard that. I found it to be quite a lot longer than the original. Two or three times longer, perhaps. It was certainly long enough to be worthwhile.

My main complaint is probably that Wheatley's voice isn't very robotic in nature. I much prefer the way they did GLaDOS's voice. :) It makes it more fun. There was too much emotion and variation in Whiteley's voice...

I'm beginning to realize that I don't enjoy puzzles in games. I guess I prefer games that require physical agility. I'm not good at solving puzzles and don't enjoy it as much as I enjoy other games. :( I did have fun with Portal and Portal 2, but unlike ML I did have trouble with some of the puzzles. Usually the solution that didn't come to me naturally was about putting a portal on the floor which for whatever reason doesn't always seem obvious to me. :-/ Another one gave me a lot of problems because the solution that I originally came up with didn't work, even though it was correct. So I then spent a frustrating hour trying to think of alternative solutions that didn't exist... :'(

Desmond Taylor

Accepted you MiquelFire and I was on all day yesterday messing about trying to get all of the achievements :) I still need to get more on Co-Op though so I shall spend the day on that.

@BAF... I didn't mean upgrade a console. I meant it works out cheaper to upgrade a PC rather than buy a complete new system. When the next PlayStation or xBox comes out it shall just be cheeper to upgrade my PC to match the new game specs instead.

@bamccaig... Yes, it is longer for sure. To make it harder they should take the quick save out :P

Matthew Leverton

The price of the console is typically less than the cost of the equivalent PC video card. Do you really think you could upgrade a seven year old PC (i.e. built in 2006) at the same price and features as a PS4?

Desmond Taylor

My computer was built by me last year and was only £250 to build. Now when PS4 comes out I just need to buy a new GFX card PCI-E that is what £80 if you go to a dealer and maybe more RAM. The RAM is cheap from retail so me getting it will be cheaper :)

If you have an OLD system then chuck it :P

bamccaig

The point is that over all the PC is much more expensive than the console is. This is because the console vendor takes a huge hit on the console (i.e., the hardware costs more than they charge you for it) in the hope of recovering the money with game and peripheral purchases over the lifetime of the console. The console is also a much simpler solution. You don't have to worry about whether your hardware and software is properly supported. You just know it is. That makes it much easier to use. Upgrading a PC requires an understanding of the internals and their compatibility with one another, as well as knowledge of what the best bang for buck is, etc. It's MUCH easier to just go buy a console and use that. :) The only real downside to consoles is that the input mechanisms (typically controllers) are sub-optimal for some games (e.g., first-person shooters).

Samuel Henderson

I have yet to play it on the PC but I beat the single player story on the PS3 already.

I brought it two days ago but it was late at night so I left it installing over night and played for over 10 hours strait yesterday.

It took me about that long.

bamccaig said:

Another one gave me a lot of problems because the solution that I originally came up with didn't work, even though it was correct. So I then spent a frustrating hour trying to think of alternative solutions that didn't exist...

Yeah, that happened to me a few times. Usually it was because I didn't happen to see a portal-able wall section the first time leading me to come trying to come up with alternate methods. I don't think I was ever stumped for an hour though, I think 15 minutes at most.

I'm waiting until the PSN is back up before doing any coop stuff.

Matthew Leverton

Now when PS4 comes out I just need to buy a new GFX card PCI-E that is what £80

Really? An £80 card is going to last throughout the life of the entire PS4? That's doubtful.

What you are suggesting is that a $500 PC bought in 2006 would still be able to play PS3 quality titles on the PC. If that's not true, then you are wrong.

Thomas Fjellstrom

video

Desmond Taylor

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html

GDDR3 video memory for the RS3? with HD? "256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz"

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/179657 That even beats the PS3 one. What do you think they are going to put in the PS4?

I doubt it's going to cost any more than £100 retail so I can get it for about £80.

Edit: Sorry posted wrong link xD

Append: ;D at the video there Thomas Fjellstrom.

bamccaig

You forget that the PS3 is a dedicated gaming machine whereas your desktop is powering an entire [bloated] operating system of services and programs on top of the game. :P

MiquelFire

Nyan Cat? In my Portal? My god! Good form of torture.

Jonatan Hedborg

At least with a PC you will (with a very high degree of certainty) be able to play your old games when you upgrade ;)

Arthur Kalliokoski

I have a fair number of old (16 bit) games that won't play because I supposedly don't have enough memory. Signed numbers fail at times.

bamccaig

At least with a PC you will (with a very high degree of certainty) be able to play your old games when you upgrade ;)

At least with a console you can easily keep the old one around to guarantee (with a VERY high degree of certainty) that you'll be able to play your old games when you upgrade. ;) In any case, my PS3 can play most PS1 and PS2 games (certainly the ones I care about). :) I also have a PS2 that can do the same. I wish I still had my original PlayStation (for nostalgia). Combined I bet they costed[1] a fraction of how much any one of us has spent on PC hardware since ~1995. :P Hell, it's a fraction of what I spent on my latest computer. :P

References

  1. IIRC, when I bought them the PlayStation was about $200, PlayStation 2 was about $200, and my PlayStation 3 was $650 = ~$1050 in ~16 years (and counting).
Thomas Fjellstrom

At least with a PC you will (with a very high degree of certainty) be able to play your old games when you upgrade

Except in the case where the developers were MONKEYS. FF7 PC was a hack job. Some things go way too fast if you try and run it on a computer twice (or more) the speed. Especially if you try and use the tnt2+ acceleration support.

Matthew Leverton

Desmond, I repeat: can a PC machine you bought for $500 in 2006 play modern games at 720p/1080p? If the answer is no, then the PS3 was cheaper.

And yes, you can claim you "upgraded" a previous machine. But at some point you a) have to include the initial cost and b) upgrade your motherboard/cpu/ram/video card (which is a basically complete upgrade). If you want to take upgrading into consideration, then you need also need to subtract the cost of selling off the PS3 when buying a PS4.

PC specs are not 1:1 equivalent with a consoles. More can be done with less on a console due to it being a stable platform. Also, developers cannot be as lazy when targeting consoles because they cannot simply raise the minimum hardware specs and tell people to upgrade.

You can argue that PC games have better graphics or are more fun or have cheaper software or something like that, but I don't see how you can back up the claim that the hardware is cheaper.

Desmond Taylor
bamccaig said:

You forget that the PS3 is a dedicated gaming machine whereas your desktop is powering an entire [bloated] operating system of services and programs on top of the game.

Yea, but. The graphics card link I posted is a lot more RAM to cover the Desktop too :P

There isn't much anyone can say that will make me change my mind on this because for me "Personally" it's cheaper to upgrade my machine than own loads of consoles. On top of that you make money on you're old parts.

I need to upgrade my computer because it's getting obsolete. It's not even at PS3 spec's graphics wise. Everything else is much faster than a PS3.

Oscar Giner

I have a fair number of old (16 bit) games that won't play because I supposedly don't have enough memory. Signed numbers fail at times.

Those games are probably complaining that there's not enough conventional memory, which is limited to 640 KB total no mather how much RAM you have in your system :P. You need to tweak things to have as much free as possible (I remember some games required more than 630 KB free, it was pretty hard to achieve that).

Matthew Leverton

I remember some games required more than 630 KB free, it was pretty hard to achieve that

Those days. :'(

My childhood consisted of making different autoexec.bat and config.sys files just to load certain games. :-[

Arthur Kalliokoski

there's not enough conventional memory [en.wikipedia.org], which is limited to 640 KB

Some of them were Win 3.x games.

GameCreator

My childhood consisted of making different autoexec.bat and config.sys files just to load certain games.

Oh god. I remember this stuff.

DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS

Matthew Leverton

Little known fact that I may or may not have just made up:

A friend of mine got a job at a computer shop because the owner was impressed by the autoexec.bat menu system that I had built for him (my friend). Later, when I was 16, he recommended that they hire me.

So an autoexec.bat started my career. :o

And somebody else took credit for it. Nothing has changed. >:(

Arthur Kalliokoski

And somebody else took credit for it. Nothing has changed. >:(

You should have included a GPL license. 8-)

[EDIT]

I stumbled across a treasure trove!

http://cd.textfiles.com/

Of course, there isn't any way to find out what you're installing before actually installing it unless you remember the game name in the directory, being there aren't any README.TXT or anything that isn't proprietary in the directories, but you can always copy your VM files before trying them. Some of them really are shovelware (useless) like this one.

http://cd.textfiles.com/beachware/GRAPHICS/

Kitty Cat

Except in the case where the developers were MONKEYS. FF7 PC was a hack job. Some things go way too fast if you try and run it on a computer twice (or more) the speed. Especially if you try and use the tnt2+ acceleration support.

Even then, as long as you or someone has a vested interest in making the game work, you can make it work... even if you have to hack the executable. It's a lot harder to get a PS3 to play PS2 and PS1 games that don't already work. I'd imagine it's even easier to get PS1 and PS2 games to run on a PC than a PS3.

bamccaig said:

At least with a console you can easily keep the old one around to guarantee (with a VERY high degree of certainty) that you'll be able to play your old games when you upgrade.

Until you have a hardware failure (which you will; just a question of when) and need to buy a replacement, at which point they'll be super rare and much more expensive. You don't have to keep old PCs around to play old PC games... at most you emulate old systems on your current one, but the need to do even that is very minimal for any semi-recent game. Not to mention, those old games can be improved over time (take Morrowind, released in 2002; not only does the PC version still run on today's top-of-the-line system, you can make it look like this).

Desmond Taylor

Well... I have done

Air Show, Asking for Trouble, Bridge Building, Bridge Over Troubling Water, Can't Touch This, Confidence Building, Door Prize, Drop Box, Dual Pit Experiment, Portrait of a Lady, Preservation of Mass, Pturrentdactly, SaBOTour, Scanned Alone, Ship Overboard, Smash TV, Stalemate Associate, Final Transmission, Friends List With Benefits, Gesticul-8, Good Listener, High Five, Lunacy, Narbacular Drop, No Hard Feelings, Obstacle Building, Bit Boss, Stranger Than Friction, Tater Tote, Team Building, The Part Where He Kills You, Tunnel of Funnel, Undiscouraged, Vertically Unchallenged, Wake Up Call, White Out, You Made Your Point, You Monster, You Saved Science.

Only 11 more achievements to go and then to wait for the Mapping tools ect so that there is more map packs :)

BAF

Now show me a video card that bested the PS3 when it came out for 80 bucks. Not 80 today, but 80 back then. 8-)

Desmond Taylor

It was about £100 back then that I could get it for. I remember my uncle asking me if I wanted a new one just before the PS3 came out and I declined simply because my system plays most of the games anyway.

At the moment, My graphics is only 512 MB and not HD but I don't have an HD monitor and don't really play any games other than Portal 1-2, CS:S, DOD:S, HL2, HL2:DM.

bamccaig

OK, seriously, you need to play HL2:EP1 and HL2:EP2! :o Not on PS3 though. Upgrade your PC. :D

Desmond Taylor
bamccaig said:

OK, seriously, you need to play HL2:EP1 and HL2:EP2! Not on PS3 though. Upgrade your PC.

I completed them both on xBox 360 so don't see the point in buying them. They are too short. EP1 took about 3-4 hours amd EP2 took me a couple of days due to doing other stuff with the kids.

bamccaig

...xBox 360...

::)

Arthur Kalliokoski

I completed them both on xBox 360 so don't see the point in buying them. They are too short. EP1 took about 3-4 hours amd EP2 took me a couple of days due to doing other stuff with the kids.

So he's got at least another week before the RROD appear?

Desmond Taylor

So he's got at least another week before the RROD appear?

What???

Append: Never mind I get you now :P

Nope, Never had one and I had that xBox for about 2 years. I don't own it now my uncle does and he's had it for about 6 months now still in good working order. They break with people that keep them in wither upright position or in a confined space. They need to breath else they over heat and then they break.

GullRaDriel

GameCreator:

I would have used something last that back in the days:

BREAK=ON
DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
FILES=90
BUFFERS=30

Plus some parameters on the fscking SOUNDBLASTER I don't want to remember ^^

Arthur Kalliokoski
Quote:

What???

Red Rings Of Death.

And I never used EMM386 because it wouldn't get along with realflat mode.

Oscar Giner

Some of them were Win 3.x games.

That means they where 16 bit games. The conventional memory think applies to Windows 3.x too.

And I never used EMM386 because it wouldn't get along with realflat mode.

Some games an programs required it (basically, any 16 bit app that wanted to use more than the first 640 KB). There you go another reason why you may had out of memory errors :P. You also needed to check if the game/program required EMS or XMS memory, or it could use any of the two.

Arthur Kalliokoski

Some games an programs required it (basically, any 16 bit app that wanted to use more than the first 640 KB).

I found out about realflat mode from Robert Collins pages, basically you could set the data segments as large as you liked while still in real mode (almost). As a matter of fact, if you enabled XMS but not EMS, you could use ES as a realflat segment as long as you zeroed it out first. It also worked for those linear frame buffers way up at the 16Mb mark :)

GullRaDriel

There was also some kind of optimization like specifying the LASTDRIVE letter.

I remember using some tools like doskey and ucd , Rhaa, good old days ! I miss the floppy drive noise ^^

Billybob
bamccaig said:

You forget that the PS3 is a dedicated gaming machine whereas your desktop is powering an entire [bloated] operating system of services and programs on top of the game.

Modern consoles also run operating system ;) But yes, your point still stands, because the OS is not as large as a PC OS, nor is it running terribly too many applications.

So, anyone remember QEMM? ;D

MiquelFire
Matthew Leverton

eBay just informed my that my copy of Portal II has sold!

Note to buyer: you could have bought it brand new from amazon.com for less than what you spent on my used copy. >:(

Desmond Taylor

You sold it or was buying it?

Matthew Leverton

I sold it ... for more than the brand new retail price. :P

I'm glad to be rid of that terrible game. >:(

Desmond Taylor

Aww, The mapping tools have been released as Beta now though :( I'm gonna start making map packs as soon as I have time on my hands.

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