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[depression] My life story |
Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Have you tried it? My understanding of Buddhism is that the cause of suffering is attachments. You suffer because you attached to things being a way that they currently aren't. One specific thing about the mind is that when you try to control it you keep getting a lot of chatter about everything except what you want to do. But when you sit down and tell yourself you're just gonna let the mind do whatever it wants, then it's suddenly silent. I have not yet succeeded in getting stuff done and letting go at the same time. |
Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007
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We should all try tickling people who are frowning today and report the results. It could be very interesting... In capitalist America bank robs you. |
pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012
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I usually works wonders with my babies It is unlikely that Google shares your distaste for capitalism. - Derezo |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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Trezker said: The solution is to let go. One specific thing about the mind is that when you try to control it you keep getting a lot of chatter about everything except what you want to do. But when you sit down and tell yourself you're just gonna let the mind do whatever it wants, then it's suddenly silent. I have not yet succeeded in getting stuff done and letting go at the same time. Someday, I'll sell or give away all the crap I've accumulated over the years which I don't need anymore and never "use" again (games, movies, etc.). The long term plan for me is to live a simple life, focused on creating stuff, instead of on acquiring more and more useless garbage. Currently I'm still too attached to that garbage to let go. "Letting the mind do whatever it wants" sounds like a wonderful idea. For me that implies not having to worry about anything and life should be easy that way, because you'll never force yourself to anything either, it would be some kind of autopilot mode where you can sit back, relax and enjoy the view. --- 0xDB | @dennisbusch_de --- |
Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007
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Actually, according to research, circumstances account for only 5 - 10% of your total happiness. It's true that stuff wont make you happy, but less stuff wont make you happier either. I found reading The How of Happiness helped me understand how we work in terms of what does and does not makes us happy. Yes, I realize the title sounds stupid. Yes, I do realize the cover looks even more foolish, but its all based on long-term studies and it even cites sources! Plus, when you read it, it makes sense. A lot of advice mentioned here is in there, which means it can't be completely off. In capitalist America bank robs you. |
Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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Trezker said: My understanding of Buddhism is that the cause of suffering is attachments. I thought it was desire. If you desire nothing, there is no pain. But desiring nothing leads to an empty life in my opinion - basically doing only the necessities to survive and meditate all day. Will that bring happiness? For some, I guess. But if you have an ounce of ambition, I think not.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Vanneto said: We should all try tickling people who are frowning today and report the results. It could be very interesting... Would you like one of us to put up bail for you after you do try it? -- |
Yodhe23
Member #8,726
June 2007
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Buddhism is certainly in my experience not about not desiring. It does seem to involve a certain realization that we do desire, in much the same way we think, and breathe. The point so to speak, is not to become identified/attached to those concepts/rituals/habituations as self, as we are mutable personalities that change with the weather and seasons, even from moment to moment. Or so it seems, and is said. One of my favourite descriptions of Buddhism, is that it is the start of an opening dialogue of exploration. www.justanotherturn.com |
Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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I guess you can cherry-pick as with all religions. Even though there are many versions of Buddhism, isn't a central "tenet" that the origin of suffering (dukkha) is desire (tanha)? I think the idea makes sense. Certain things give us pleasure. We desire these things because of it. If we can't get the things and thus no pleasure, we suffer. Letting go of desire means no suffering. I guess my main problem is when it's taken too far (eg renouncing all conventional living, becoming essentially an ascetic). Part of the challenge of being human is dealing with the suffering, not eliminating it by sacrificing all other sources of happiness. But then again, I'm no expert and not really religious/spiritual.
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Yodhe23
Member #8,726
June 2007
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Show me a person who claims they are without desire, and I will show you a liar. Buddhism generally expounds the "middle path", which isn't generally about negating aspects of the self, but waking up to what one was, is and always will be, buddha incarnate, in the here and now. Trying to eliminate suffering/desire is just as daft as stop breathing, or stop thinking by an act of will(other than such silliness as suicide). But the "masters of old" generally liked to encourage this in the student/sleeper, along the reasoning of "the fool who persists in his folly will become wise". There are no tenets of Buddhism per se, the "central core" is merely a bunch of sayings alleged attributed to Siddhartha/Gautama Shakyamuni written down many years after his death, collected in the Dhammapada. And one would be as much a "fool" as thinking this was Buddhism, as the Bible is Christianity. The whole real point is to find out/experience for oneself (that one is gOd/an aperture of the universe/divine), which is why Buddhism is considered an opening dialogue (of which there are many threads across millenia), a place to start the process of waking up, equally this could be psychoanalysis for a more modern approach. IMHO www.justanotherturn.com |
Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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Yodhe23 said: Show me a person who claims they are without desire, and I will show you a liar. So nirvana is merely a mirage then? I never claimed it was possible. I agree it is a path tread in vain. Quote: And one would be as much a "fool" as thinking this was Buddhism, as the Bible is Christianity
There are many fools in the world then For me it seems, like many religions, as just another way to escape reality or a means to contort it to your liking, IMHO.
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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The difference between Buddhism and religion is that Buddha himself said that if you find evidence that he was wrong you must disagree with him. The truth is more important than his teachings according to his own words. But there is of course buddhist traditions that make people behave just like any religion, regular "buddhists" don't read the teachings just like regular christians don't read the bible. |
weapon_S
Member #7,859
October 2006
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loviniowa said: I have had clinical depression all my life. I have been fighting it big time for the last year and haven't been able to work for the last 2 mos. I have taken anti-depressant for the last 15yrs and they were working great until I hit menopause, sorry guys I have to bring up the word, it screws with our hormones and makes everything that was working STOP! I've heard about people who are born with it (and don't need Maybelline to feel bad about themselves). It's like a whole different level; I can hardly imagine struggling on with it. I have very deep respect for people who manage to keep going under those circumstances. I kind of like (esoteric) Buddhism. I observed in my early youth that most suffering in this world is from people hanging on to rigid ideas. I was trying to solve the question: why can't everybody get along? Then I realized most unhappiness comes from "not getting along" with what life provides you. I have later learned that to prevent one concept to grow, sometimes you need to feed another one. The main criterion is that if it feels uneasy and uncertain, you are probably doing the right thing. I never had anyone confirming what I believed, and I thought to myself I was a fool for holding to values that don't translate into worldly achievements. I'm regaining my believe in unworldly things at the moment.
I'm in love with a depressed woman. ._. I haven't felt this good in a long time. I know I shouldn't put too much hope in the long term, but I'm going to foster the feelings I have now as much as possible. We've been able to talk to each other about our problems even more thoroughly then usual with companions in distress. Actually for me more than with anybody else. She seems to liven up when we're together. I'm not sure I've been showing the same appreciation to her. But hopefully I'll be able to make sure she gets the message in the coming weeks. |
William Labbett
Member #4,486
March 2004
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Does anyone here who suffers from anxiety think it's possible to be happy in anxiety ?
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LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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William Labbett said: Does anyone here who suffers from anxiety think it's possible to be happy in anxiety ? I'm not sure 100% what you're asking. If you mean is it possible to be happy while undergoing an episode of high anxiety, I'd say no. At least not for myself anyway. During these periods there is no emotion I can feel other than anxiety itself. If you're asking if people with anxiety disorders can be happy, then yes definitely. I'm very happy with my life. I know that I can never be entirely rid of anxiety, but I have learnt how to manage it and how to minimize its effects on my life.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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William Labbett said: Does anyone here who suffers from anxiety think it's possible to be happy in anxiety ? Sure. I'm almost constantly anxious. I have my moments of happiness. It tends to actually make me less anxious -- |
Elias
Member #358
May 2000
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Anxiety is similar to pain for me, so I'm with lennylen, you won't be able to feel anything positive while it's acute. But myself, I'm still often happy, in the times I'm out of panic mode. -- |
Yodhe23
Member #8,726
June 2007
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I certainly can feel more than one thing at once emotionally. www.justanotherturn.com |
William Labbett
Member #4,486
March 2004
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There was something I read in a book by someone called Antony De Mello (called Awareness). He said something about wanting to be rid of anxiety (or was it tension ?) is a cause of misery and did you (the reader) ever think you could be happy anyway ? I tried it but I don't feel normal.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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I've spent the last couple years consistently trying to feel better again. And its only within the past few months that I've actually wanted and enjoyed working on my own projects again. The anxiety is a lot easier to deal with, it completely doesn't go away... but it is easier to manage. -- |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Yodhe23 said: I certainly can feel more than one thing at once emotionally. For the most part, so do I. But having anxiety, when you're someone with anxiety/panic disorders is a bit different from when you're a normal person feeling anxious. It can go way beyond just being an emotion. William Labbett said: There was something I read in a book by someone called Antony De Mello (called Awareness). He said something about wanting to be rid of anxiety (or was it tension ?) is a cause of misery and did you (the reader) ever think you could be happy anyway ? I think you may have misinterpreted what he said. I'm pretty sure that he was talking about how being attached to things can lead to being anxious about losing them which then causes misery and that to be free of misery and tension, one must be happy with only themselves. For a catholic priest, De Mello has a very eastern philosophy, which is probably why he was excommunicated by the pope.
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William Labbett
Member #4,486
March 2004
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When I heard a tune on a Carl Cox Hardcore set from a club called Amnesia House with a sample on it saying "We want zero repsonse", I thought it meant that when people say things to you they don't want any chatback and so I stayed quiet for months when people were talking to me. I thought I was doing the right thing. After a decade of madness I realised that zero response is a desirable things for a sound system to have, nothing to do with how to react when people are saying things to you. This goes to show that I do misunderstand things, but I'm not sure despite not being able to articulate clearly when Antony meant that I've ever misunderstood anything I read that he wrote. I need to find it in the book. I've been looking today. Who excommunicated him BTW. Wasn't John Paul II ?
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LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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William Labbett said: Who excommunicated him BTW. Wasn't John Paul II ? Actually, it turns out his works were just denounced by the church after his death.
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William Labbett
Member #4,486
March 2004
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Makes sense. Excommunication sounds a bit unpleasant and I think John Paul 2 was the pope who would have been around when Mello was about (I think ) and John Paul didn't seem at all unpleasant to me. At least that explains why I asked (it didn't seem likely). Sometime I ask questions to check reality Anyway, if I ever find what exactly it was that he said on the topic of anxiety or tension I'll let y'all know. Will signs off (4 bottles of Stella Artois cidre in his belly
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Yodhe23
Member #8,726
June 2007
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Lenny Len, I guess you didn't realise that I was diagnosed with clinical anxiety orders nearly two decades ago. Anyway I have never met a normal person, each one seems beautifully and uniquely f**ked up to me, in ever more ways I could conceivably imagine. It seems how we cope with the "neurological chaos", that in part creates us. I just honestly feel that it is better to describe/define/divine oneself, than leave that pleasure to another. www.justanotherturn.com |
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