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PS4 FTW/FTL ?
Phrasz
Member #10,091
August 2008

IMO I'm: "meh" on the topic. The thing is x86 with 8GB ram, and a 2 TFLOP GPU (Less than Nvidia GTX 590's and above...)

Your guys' thoughts?

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Bambam, Baffles, and I are already waiting in line to get one. >:(

Trent Gamblin
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April 2000
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BAF is going to resell a bunch of them on ebay.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Technically it's amd64 AKA x86-64. ;) This is the first I have heard of an official announcement. My initial reaction is "too soon" since I still think the PS3 is quite capable, but meh. I probably won't be an early adopter, but I'll probably eventually get one since I am loyal to the PlayStation brand. Will need to wait and see how it works out before making the final decision.

Release is still 3/4 of a year away so I can see the specs possibly changing from now until then, but already the specs seem more than capable. The PS3 has something like 512 MB of memory (256 MB dedicated for RAM and video memory, each), IIRC. Bumping that up to 8 GB DDR5 should offer a world of possibilities, I would imagine. Of course, other specs can factor in, but I imagine that they've all been appropriately updated. :o It will certainly be a very capable device. It will be interesting to see how other consoles measure up.

I find it interesting to see them abandon the Cell processor with this generation and return to an Intel-based architecture. In a way it seems too bad since I had high hopes for what the Cell might have meant for computing in general, but I'd say it was still a successful product (whether or not the partners feel that way internally we may never know). :)

I haven't paid attention to the Wii-U, but IIRC the specs aren't a major leap above the Wii, and if it's going to share a generation with the PS4 specs I think it will be interesting to see if it can still skate by on the casual/gimmick strategy or if it'll just flop.

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Bambam, Baffles, and I are already waiting in line to get one. >:(

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Schyfis
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May 2008
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If it isn't super-ultra-open to indie developers, I'm not interested. The PS3 already handles my gaming needs, and I'm thinking more about getting a Wii U. I don't have a Wii, and I hear that I missed out on some good Zelda and Mario games from last generation.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Some of the non hardware features seem to be compelling, even to me. At least it has my interest piqued.

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someone972
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August 2006
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I will have fun laughing at the people who will say that it has better graphics than PC titles. Other than that I don't think I'll get one, I've always been more of a PC gaming person.

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Kris Asick
Member #1,424
July 2001

I seriously doubt I will be buying a PS4. I don't even own a PS3 or 360. I've little interest in the vast majority of mainstream titles out there right now, and the ones I do have an interest in I just buy on Steam. :P

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Jeff Bernard
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December 2005
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Will have to see if Ratchet & Clank 10 gets announced before deciding if the PS4 is a hit or a miss.

At the least, this news is better than the nothing I've heard about the Xsquare.

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weapon_S
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October 2006
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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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You need to look at the big picture of all the other components like the really fast RAM, the number CU's, the fact that is has no bloat like a pc, etc

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gnolam
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March 2002
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There's already a leaked photo!

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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The controller I've seen looks absolutely dreadful and no improvement over the PS3 which was no improvement over the PS2, which was no improvement over the PS1.

I'd rather use gnolam's controller.

The XBox looks nice until you see they've crippled it with slow memory and a hack to make it faster.

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jmasterx
Member #11,410
October 2009

I feel as though X86 will mean hacks-a-plenty, probably even get Windows on it.

Xbox 1 was X86 and there are over 24 ways to run unsigned code.

If they're smart they will give indie developers what they want which is a way to program for it for free. And give Linux people what they want. If they do that then there is a good chance it will not get hacked for a while.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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You'd think though that after over 20 years they'd create a new style for the controller. Bar tecnical improvements I see no difference in the PS4 controller over the PS1. And I hate those stupid symbols that aren't letters or numbers.

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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Yea, the PS3 got hack REAL quickly after they removed Linux support, so that's a case for bringing back Linux support :P

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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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You'd think though that after over 20 years they'd create a new style for the controller. Bar tecnical improvements I see no difference in the PS4 controller over the PS1. And I hate those stupid symbols that aren't letters or numbers.

That is one of the appeals in the Playstations, you can go from PS1 to PS3 without feeling utterly lost. Same design so you have little to no learning curve. Changing the controller design results in lackluster sales, remember the Dreamcast? It only became popular after homebrew games otherwise everyone didn't care for the odd controller. Same for N64, while it was obviously a nice system, the controller design and the fact that later games (like Perfect Dark) required the expansion (which was sold separate or with PD if you bought it). I remember Xbox even having mixed reviews in regards to the alteration to the PS like controller design.

All that said, I have absolutely no interest in PS4 or the '720' or whatever the Xbox is going to be called next gen.

axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

I don't have any interest in PS4 either.

What strikes me as odd is that the announced specs are essentially a PC.

Does that mean that PCs will be hackable to allow PS4 games to run on them? what measures will Sony to prevent that?

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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weapon_S said:

Like the advertising based on what the camera picks up?

I said some of them ;)

The try before you buy and streaming game stuff seems interesting. Something I didn't think sony would do without kicking and screaming the entire way.

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beoran
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March 2011

I happen to like AMD cpu's, so I think I'll be getting a Playstation 4... near the end of it's lifetime, or at least when it has many good games. Seriously, I'm not going to get burned agan like I was with the PS3. I bought it expensive to play Final Fantasy 13. What a letdown that game was.... :p Fortunately the Atelier series made up for it later.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I may finally get a ps3 once the prices for them fall, especially if used prices fall far. There's one game I want to play. And I'm sure as heck not paying full price to play one game.

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beoran
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March 2011

Thomas, spoken wisely. I'm trying to do likewise. For example, I bought a new PSP for less than 100 euro about half a year ago, and it has served me well ever since. )

Oscar Giner
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April 2002
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axilmar said:

Does that mean that PCs will be hackable to allow PS4 games to run on them?

What makes you think that? A PC is more than the CPU. It'll have a custom firmware instead of a BIOS/UEFI and a custom OS I guess, so there you go, all possible compatibility is broken since the hw->sw layer is different.

In theory it should mean than an emulator shouldn't take that much effort, but the XBox was also a PC basically and there's still no working emulator.

Samuel Henderson
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August 2003
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I suppose a lot of developers are breathing a sigh of relief at the switch to the more traditional x86 architecture. Hopefully this means that developers will be able to harness the console's power faster than they were able to with the Cell processor.

I wonder how long before we'll be able to install XBMC on it? :)

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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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Just was announced on our local news. Sony plan to launch the PS4 near the end of this year and said it is more like a PC with touch screen and a camera as well as Steam. Still absolutely no interest in it.

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