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Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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How do I steal the Mona Lisa without taking the materials?
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AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Arvidsson said: How do I steal the Mona Lisa without taking the materials? Creating something yourself. And don't steeling other people's work.
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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001
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Arvidsson said: How do I steal the Mona Lisa without taking the materials? I didn't say that you don't take the materials when you steal Mona Lisa. You obviously take the materials, but the value of the theft of Mona Lisa does not equal the value of the materials only. The value of the theft includes both the materials and the abstract value assigned to the painting. |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I stole it! {"name":"joconde.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/5\/6\/56f4c823a50e60498511452169f281b8.jpg","w":743,"h":1155,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/5\/6\/56f4c823a50e60498511452169f281b8"} They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: Really, publishers and record labels have tried to pass laws making used book/record stores illegal in some form. It boggles the mind. And currently they are making it hard for libraries to deal in eBooks. EA have effectively done that with their 'one time' pass codes stopping legitimate people (like myself with multiple xboxes) using the game they've bought. My simple solution to this wasn't piracy, I simply don't buy EA games anymore. Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: I stole it! If you could reproduce the painting digitally with the same detail, then indeed you would have stolen it. Neil Walker said: My simple solution to this wasn't piracy, I simply don't buy EA games anymore. And that's the appropriate response to all this DRM and SOPA bullsh1t. Don't buy their stuff. But this is not acceptable by the average Joe, who truly wants to play these games, so he has come up with the excuse that he is combating injustice with piracy. The activism of people regarding piracy is unheard of in other more serious matters, and that's because people don't care about these other matters. |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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axilmar said: If you could reproduce the painting digitally with the same detail, then indeed you would have stolen it. So if I went in the Louvre and took a picture of it with one of those multimega pixel cameras, it'd disappear from the wall? They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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axilmar said: stealing is about displacing value, not displacing materials. How do I displace the value of Mona Lisa without displacing the materials?
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Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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I can confirm the OP is a filthy pirate. I even got a picture! TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc. |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Filthy??!!? He could use a shave, sure, but filthy? They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: So if I went in the Louvre and took a picture of it with one of those multimega pixel cameras, it'd disappear from the wall? I think the pixels doesn't matter but if the flash is too powerful I have heard those pictures are very frail you could burn the canvas... So yhea it could disappear...
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Dario ff
Member #10,065
August 2008
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: Filthy??!!? He could use a shave, sure, but filthy?
We're talking about a French pirate. TranslatorHack 2010, a human translation chain in a.cc. |
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AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Yhea French people shouldn't buy pirate perfume!
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Or torrent it either... Perfume-The.Story.Of.A.Murderer[2006]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo [EDIT] If a pirate needs a bath, couldn't he just take a dip in the Pirate Bay? They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: So if I went in the Louvre and took a picture of it with one of those multimega pixel cameras, it'd disappear from the wall? No. But you could open a museum next to the Louvre, with another Mona Lisa in it, stealing profit from the Louvre. Arvidsson said: How do I displace the value of Mona Lisa without displacing the materials? By copying it. |
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J-Gamer
Member #12,491
January 2011
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axilmar said: By copying it. But then your copy isn't the original, and thus less valuable. " There are plenty of wonderful ideas in The Bible, but God isn't one of them." - Derezo |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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The image above is sharp enough to show the cracks from age, and therefore I'd suppose it's as accurate as the original painting as far as what it looked like when it was new, so all they have to do is go to allegro.cc instead of paying admittance to the Louvre. Of course it doesn't have quite the same bragging rights. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Trying to argue against axilmar again... Someone has a lot of free time! The main problem I have with the author of the article is that he doesn't distinguish between the big label artists and the independent ones. If you want to boycott the RIAA and steal their music, go for it. It's illegal of course, but I can understand the thinking. However, there are thousands of independent artists that have no big, bad label. You should be supporting them. If you care so passionately about making things right, you should go out and find them. Ultimately what happens by these so-called boycotts is that the rich stay rich and in power because you aren't actually supporting anybody. It's much like how pirating Photoshop is actually more harmful to the small developer selling more affordable software than it is to Adobe. So when you say "I'm not giving anybody a single penny," to me that shows nothing other than you are an unappreciative freeloader. All you are doing is keeping the current system alive. |
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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Why I don't pirate. |
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Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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axilmar said: By copying it. That displaces some value perhaps, but not all. Thus, stealing != copying.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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There are people who actually buy the product or whatever, then get the pirate version to avoid the DRM crap that can damage your equipment, among other things. Is it still bad if they've paid for it? They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001
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J-Gamer said: But then your copy isn't the original, and thus less valuable. It depends on how authentic the copy looks. Arvidsson said: That displaces some value perhaps, but not all. Thus, stealing != copying. The amount of value being displaced does not make act different. If I stole $100 from a pack of $200, isn't that stealing? I stole half the value. Matthew Leverton said: So when you say "I'm not giving anybody a single penny," to me that shows nothing other than you are an unappreciative freeloader. All you are doing is keeping the current system alive. I said exactly that in my rebuttal. |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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axilmar said: If I stole $100 from a pack of $200, isn't that stealing? I stole half the value. A closer analogy would be if you counterfeited $100, making the original $200 somewhat less valuable, like the Feds been doing for these many years with the blessing of the same government that wants the evil Internet restricted. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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axilmar said: If I stole $100 from a pack of $200, isn't that stealing? I stole half the value. Haha, that's hilarious. No, it's more akin to you taking $200 but when you "displace" yourself and the money you stole by leaving the building you suddenly only have $100. Where did the value go???
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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He meant he left $100 behind. Burglary fail. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Why do you think they use so much perfume?