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Terraria to be released 16.5 on Steam
Jonatan Hedborg
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July 2004
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I buy almost all my games via steam or impulse. I loathe discs, and much rather trust that they don't go bankrupt than that I wont ruin or lose the discs. The prices vary quite a bit (compared to stores), but since I tend to stay away from "AAA" titles (with some notable exceptions) it's not that bad. There are also loads of games on steam that I couldn't get in a store or other digital medium.

Never really had problems with the DRM. The only game I can think of that's been hassling me is Dawn of war 2, which disconnects multiplayer sessions if you lose connection with steam (which is a fault in the game I'd say, since no other games does that). It's a good middle ground imo.

I also actually use and enjoy the extra steam features like achievements, "join friend", in-game overlay chat, screenshot system etc.

My only real gripe is that it for some reason stops downloading games as soon as I start up a steam game >:( If I want to play an MP game, I'll stop the download myself thanks.

gnolam
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March 2002
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Unless Steam themselves do the conversion using particularly stingy exchange rates, in which case I agree.

Their "exchange rate" is deciding that if you live in Europe, you pay in Euros, and the numerical value of the price is the same - i.e. 1 EUR == 1 USD. Which is a price hike of 42%.

You know what works better IMO? The way the humble indie bundle is distributed. (and I don't mean the pay what you want thing)

Indeed!

bamccaig said:

DRM isn't intended to prevent piracy. It's intended to prevent used game sales.

There. Fixed that for you.

bamccaig said:

In any case, Steam's form of DRM is pretty painless most of the time.

Yeah, a buggy, crash-prone program that's so ridiculously heavyweight that it takes longer to start than my bloody operating system, that does god knows what behind your back, and forces you to be online to play your games even if they're completely single-player[1] is completely painless...

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  1. Yeah, there's an "offline mode"... but which you have to be online to enter.

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SonShadowCat
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September 2001
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I play all my steam games with no net connection(single player, of course)

Oscar Giner
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April 2002
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gnolam said:

Their "exchange rate" is deciding that if you live in Europe, you pay in Euros, and the numerical value of the price is the same - i.e. 1 EUR == 1 USD. Which is a price hike of 42%.

That's not Steam fault though. Publishers/game studios are the ones that set the prices (and in general the Steam price is the same as the retail price, at least here). Not all do the 1$ = 1€, but certainly that's not a Steam thing (it happens with hardware too, for example: if a GPU costs 250$, it's going to cost 250€ here).

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Yeah, there's an "offline mode"... but which you have to be online to enter.

That's not true. If you launch Steam while you don't have internet connection, it asks you if you want to enter offline mode.

MiquelFire
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January 2003
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That's not true. If you launch Steam while you don't have internet connection, it asks you if you want to enter offline mode.

Of which, it tries to go online so you can go offline... That's the catch 22 I was talking about.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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That's not Steam fault though.

The fuck it isn't! It applies to Steam and Steam only, and it's been a completely deliberate Valve policy since the beginning.

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and in general the Steam price is the same as the retail price, at least here

Apparently, your retail market is broken then. Here, retail prices are roughly the US prices, while Steam prices are the aforementioned greedy asshole ones.

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That's not true. If you launch Steam while you don't have internet connection, it asks you if you want to enter offline mode.

What MiquelFire said. I'm open to the possibility that it might be intended to work some other way, but it's not the way it works in practice. See: it's a buggy piece of crap.

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And since some Steam apologist will no doubt blame my system, this behavior has been consistent across several computers and OS installs.

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Oscar Giner
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gnolam said:

The it isn't! It applies to Steam and Steam only, and it's been a completely deliberate Valve policy since
the beginning.

What I'm saying is that it's not Steam who sets the prices. Go to the Steam forum and inform yourself. Valve for example sets the prices correctly (Portal 2: 45$, it's correctly set at 38€ (45$ = 31€; 31€ + 18% VAT = 38€)).

It really dependes a lot on the game company. Looking at current prices for example: Dirt 3 is cheaper on Steam than on retail, while Fable III has the same price, and Portal 2 is a lot cheaper (the retail price here is set at 50€). [edit] And Brink is more expensive on Steam Oh no, it isn't, I was looking at a "discount".

blargmob
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gnolam said:

this behavior has been consistent across several computers and OS installs.

Get better hardware. Stop purposefully downloading viruses.

Stop having bad luck.

That sucks for you; Steam is a great system. I, nor any of my friends that use Steam, have ever had any major problems with it.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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Valve for example sets the prices correctly (Portal 2: 45$, it's correctly set at 38€ (45$ = 31€; 31€ + 18% VAT = 38€)).

The fuck they do, and the hell it is. 49.99€.
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Oscar Giner
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Well that has to do with the different 3 zones they divide Europe in (IIRC they reduced them to 2 recently). You live in the expensive one :P. Here it's 37.99€. They set different prices for each of these zones.

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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WTF? That is messed up.

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An Ly
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April 2000
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Is it me or does steam/css combo take just as long to load up and join a game now as it did on my computer back in 2005?

Too bad Dota 2 will be on steam. I love the game but hate Steam. It is the iTunes of the gaming world.

Samuel Henderson
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August 2003
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I got the game for free (legally)! The game was $9.99 for a single copy or $29.99 for 4. I chose the 4 copy option, kept one copy for myself and sold the other 3 copies to coworkers (within minutes) for $10 each. My copy was therefore 'free';D

The game itself is quite fun. Who wants to set up a server? ;D

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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I've never bought from Steam before (it's £5.99 in UK). Is it just a normal installable app which authenticates on startup? I have four computers in the house so wouldn't mind running it on all of them (as I do with minecraft, no concurrency obviously as I'm good), if it's somehow tied to a computer then I won't bother.

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AMCerasoli
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gnolam said:

See: it's a buggy piece of crap.

I wish that crappy platform was mine... Or in a future be able to release a game on it...

Samuel Henderson
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I've never bought from Steam before (it's £5.99 in UK). Is it just a normal installable app which authenticates on startup? I have four computers in the house so wouldn't mind running it on all of them (as I do with minecraft, no concurrency obviously as I'm good), if it's somehow tied to a computer then I won't bother.

I just found the executable in 'C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\terraria' and ran it fine with no instance of Steam running. So I would say that yes, you should be able to run it on all 4 computers, assuming you launch them all standalone and not through Steam (because I don't think Steam allows your account to be signed in on more than one computer).

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bamccaig
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I've never bought from Steam before (it's £5.99 in UK). Is it just a normal installable app which authenticates on startup? I have four computers in the house so wouldn't mind running it on all of them (as I do with minecraft, no concurrency obviously as I'm good), if it's somehow tied to a computer then I won't bother.

Steam games are connected to the Steam user. That user can only be logged in once, AFAIK. So you would need 4 licenses (and 4 users; though perhaps they have a sub-user concept, like PSN?) if you wanted 4 people to play simultaneously, but if you just wanted to be able to play one person at a time from many different computers then Steam makes this easy (especially so if all 4 computers are connected to the Internet).

I just found the executable in 'C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\terraria' and ran it fine with no instance of Steam running. So I would say that yes, you should be able to run it on all 4 computers, assuming you launch them all standalone and not through Steam (because I don't think Steam allows your account to be signed in on more than one computer).

While you may be able to do it, it's probably against the license terms, and therefore somewhat of a gray area. :) One license is not the same as four. This is basically just bypassing the Steam DRM, which is basically pirating 3/4 copies. :P Of course, since this is an indie game, it's possible that the license terms are more lax, but I'm assuming they aren't.

Samuel Henderson
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bamccaig said:

While you may be able to do it, it's probably against the license terms, and therefore somewhat of a gray area. One license is not the same as four. This is basically just bypassing the Steam DRM, which is basically pirating 3/4 copies. Of course, since this is an indie game, it's possible that the license terms are more lax, but I'm assuming they aren't.

I don't think you would get in any trouble (does not mean it is not violating TOS though) if you purchased one copy of the game, downloaded it and played it at each of the 4 computers (using Steam to download and install of course), and then made shortcuts to the executables directly. Steam would be none the wiser since it would not even be running on any of the computers :). It may change in the future though depending on how deeply the developers plan to integrate with Steam but so long as you never update your executables you should be fine. :-/

If you really wanted to play it safe, you could buy a 4-pack using your Steam account, and create 3 other Steam accounts and gift your 3 extra copies to those accounts (it's a bit of a hassle, but I don't see anything about it that would violate the TOS).

The game works great on my laptop (which is now 7 years old!) but the lappy can only handle one instance of the game so I can't host any MP server. Hopefully they release a standalone linux friendly server...

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Neil Walker
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I would only be running it once, but on many computers.

btw, once you've bought the game, is multi-player free? I couldn't find anything useful on how multi-player on steam works or whether you use p2p or central server.

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bamccaig
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I don't think you would get in any trouble... Steam would be none the wiser since it would not even be running on any of the computers :). It may change in the future though depending on how deeply the developers plan to integrate with Steam but so long as you never update your executables you should be fine. :-/

You wouldn't get in any trouble for killing a man if you didn't get caught. :P

I would only be running it once, but on many computers.

This is basically what Steam is for. :P It also means that as long as the Steam service continues to run (the foreseeable future) you don't have to worry about losing your games either.

btw, once you've bought the game, is multi-player free? I couldn't find anything useful on how multi-player on steam works or whether you use p2p or central server.

Multi-player has been free in every game I've played on Steam, but I don't know if that's through Steam or though the game studio (or whether it's up to the particular studio). Since this is an indie game I'm going to say that it probably is through Steam and probably free.

Samuel Henderson
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... is multi-player free? I couldn't find anything useful on how multi-player on steam works or whether you use p2p or central server.

Currently, multi-player is not through Steam.

3. Multiplayer Hosting
Hosting a server in the release build will not use steams built in server system, and requires you to port forward and use IP addresses to connect. You CAN start two clients of Terraria at once on a single PC from steam and use one of those to launch your server and the other to launch a client. However, it is not possible to use ONE steam account to launch a server on one PC and a client on another PC at this time, as steam will think two users are using the same account at two separate locations, which is not allowed. Also, until the stand alone servers are usable, the limit of 8 players per server will remain intact.
What you can Expect : We will be creating a stand alone server launcher within the next few weeks. And we will be integrating steams Server lists and removing the cap of 8 players per server. [1]

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bamccaig said:

You wouldn't get in any trouble for killing a man if you didn't get caught.

Speaking of that... make sure to bring thick acid proof gloves when you drop by this weekend. I err need your help disposing something:o

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Neil Walker
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So much for Steam and the games on it. After a few 'sorry the servers are busy you cannot download anything now' messages I downloaded a demo game and got this

Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Dwarfs.exe
Application Version: 0.6.5.0
Application Timestamp: 4dcc4b27
Fault Module Name: KERNELBASE.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.1.7600.16385
Fault Module Timestamp: 4a5bdaae
Exception Code: e0434f4d
Exception Offset: 00009617
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 2057

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bamccaig
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I bought Terraria last night. So far I'm not overly impressed. I would have liked some sort of in-game tutorial to guide you. There is apparently a guide NPC there in single player, but he doesn't seem to interact with you at all. I was pretty lost so I just fumbled around a bit. Managed to kill some green blobs, but eventually died too. I deleted my first world and generated a second. This time I did a bit better, figured out crafting, but still managed to not have very much fun. I imagine that it will be much more fun to play with friends online though.

Speaking of that... make sure to bring thick acid proof gloves when you drop by this weekend. I err need your help disposing something:o

OK. :o

So much for Steam and the games on it. After a few 'sorry the servers are busy you cannot download anything now' messages I downloaded a demo game and got this...

That's not necessarily Steam's fault. That's probably the developers' fault. That's the risk you take when you purchase an indie game (the developers have fewer resources to test). :P That's not to say that you will never have issues with mainstream publisher games either. You will occasionally, but it still isn't Steam's fault. :P You would have had just as much trouble had you purchased the game through another publisher.

Neil Walker
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Aye, a quick look showed it's an XNA game, so possibly reinstalling .net/xna might do the trick.

I read about the tutorial being lame.

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Samuel Henderson
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bamccaig said:

I bought Terraria last night. So far I'm not overly impressed. I would have liked some sort of in-game tutorial to guide you. There is apparently a guide NPC there in single player, but he doesn't seem to interact with you at all.

You need to right click on him to talk to him.

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I was pretty lost so I just fumbled around a bit. Managed to kill some green blobs, but eventually died too. I deleted my first world and generated a second. This time I did a bit better, figured out crafting, but still managed to not have very much fun. I imagine that it will be much more fun to play with friends online though.

I'm finding single player to be tons of fun, but I have a feeling that all the 'Lets Play' videos served as a tutorial for me.

Basically, to start out you need to chop down several trees (the bigger the better). Then you get a crafting table, make a sword, kill a bunch of slimes and make torches using their slime gel. Then you should make a wood house to start... just put your wood directly on the ground to make the floor, craft a door and wooden walls. Next step is to start exploring. Hopefully there is cave nearby where you can venture in and find some easily accessible ores (and stone). If you come across ledges you can't jump over, make wooden platforms and stick em on the ledge.

I'm going to try summoning the 'Eye of Cthulu' tonight with a coworker (who is in the same boat as you as far as progressing through the game). You should join us. It will be fun!

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