![]() |
|
I give up. |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
![]() |
They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
![]() |
Quote: Bwuh [us.blizzard.com]
Wrong. A warrior is not a barbarian class. GameCreator said: And you know you're gonna play Diablo 3, despite its reach for mass (WoW) appeal. No. I knew I'd play Starcraft 2. It is a good game crippled by a horrible DRM-service. Diablo 3 has nothing I want in a game. If you think I'm going to give Blizzard more money after my B.NET experience, you fail to see my ability to find other things to do with my time. I'll likely be out of college when it comes out. I do not plan on having enough time to play another Blizzard abortion of my childhood. For perspective, a couple weeks ago we installed Diablo 1 again and played it for a couple days straight. It's still fun. Jones64 said:
yes, what happend with the darkness of the dungeons?? That's exactly what I'm talking about. How am I supposed to take a game seriously when the characters are running around like cartoons? If I wanted cartoon action, I can and will play TeamFortress 2 and I'll enjoy it. Valve knows how to make fun games. -----sig: |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
![]() |
type568 said: ...a marine isn't gonna be keeping a "healthy lifestyle", he just won't bother(mostly). Why wouldn't a marine keep a healthy lifestyle? Their performance depends on a healthy lifestyle. Body and mind need to be healthy and clear to perform their duties well. Obviously, in the midst of battle they aren't in complete control of how healthy their lifestyle is, but I'm sure most would do their best when they got back to base or returned home. You'd basically have to be in top physical conditioning to survive training, let alone keep up in battle. type568 said: B) I guess majority of the consumers are kids, that have parents who are gonna shit their pants if their kid sees a marine with a cigarette.. In Canada and the USA, smoking has been shifting to the not-cool sector for years now. Sure, it's still overwhelmingly popular for rebelling teenagers, and criminals, but it's illegal to smoke inside businesses, even bars, now. The fact is that smoking isn't as cool today as it once was. If a young Hollywood celebrity is caught smoking now it could be grounds for bad press (which is still good press, but I digress). It's just not cool anymore. My brother is finally quitting for good now, I think. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
![]() |
bamccaig said: it's illegal to smoke inside businesses, even bars, now I for one gladly welcome our nanny-state overlords! NOT They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
![]() |
Arthur Kalliokoski said: I for one gladly welcome our nanny-state overlords! NOT People don't seem to care that I don't want to die of lung cancer from second hand smoke, and belive it or not, I actually want to go outside now and then. Without the so called "nanny state" I would have to stay home all the time to avoid second hand smoke. Now I don't have to. I'd bet you'd like the govt to revoke the laws on assult. Its the same thing. "The rights of your fist end where the rights of my face beings" -> "The rights of your nicotine habit end where the rights of my lungs begin". -- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
![]() |
Arthur Kalliokoski said:
I for one gladly welcome our nanny-state overlords! NOT
I think it's a good law to have. Smoking is pretty silly when you think about it. Honestly, I've never enjoyed a cigarette in my life, and I've smoked enough of them to. Now a Cuban cigar tastes pretty damn good by comparison, but they're like $50 each and not exactly easy for you to get your hands on anyway, and supply would dictate that it would cost you more than $50. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
![]() |
Thomas Fjellstrom said: People don't seem to care that I don't want to die of lung cancer from second hand smoke, and belive it or not, I actually want to go outside now and then. Without the so called "nanny state" I would have to stay home all the time to avoid second hand smoke. Now I don't have to. This is one of the funniest arguments against smoking. "Second-hand smoke kills!" Here's something: Every single car that drives by you is producing a carcinogen out the exhaust pipe. Every. Single. One. You are breathing in second-hand death gas out of every car and you don't think twice at all. You don't think twice about sitting at a stop light with your windows down surrounded by idling cars. You don't think twice about standing behind a car. You have no idea how much carcinogen gases you breathe every day. But Jesus, protect us from these smokers! How will we survive their onslaught? Let's ignore welding gas, solder, flux, burning any plastics, and coal. Why not just be honest and say "I don't like the smell." That's why I don't like it. I also hate that every damn smoker seems to use the world as his or her ashtray. bamccaig said: Why wouldn't a marine keep a healthy lifestyle Have you ever seen someone in the military? You're being shot at every day. Who gives a shit if it's going to help you relax. -----sig: |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
![]() |
Thomas Fjellstrom said: I'd bet you'd like the govt to revoke the laws on assult. Not entirely, but I'd like to see the nanny state prosecute the criminals to a greater degree than the victims. I consider welfare leeches to be semi-criminal too. Stop clogging my lungs with the exhaust of heating your house with other peoples money. [EDIT] Why can't some enterprising young man open a "smoke-free" bar? If it's so desirable, he'll be swamped with business! They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
![]() |
Chris Katko said: This is one of the funniest arguments against smoking. "Second-hand smoke kills!" Here's something: Every single car that drives by you is producing a carcinogen out the exhaust pipe. Every. Single. One. You are breathing in second-hand death gas out of every car and you don't think twice at all. You don't think twice about sitting at a stop light with your windows down surrounded by idling cars. You don't think twice about standing behind a car. You have no idea how much carcinogen gases you breathe every day. But Jesus, protect us from these smokers! How will we survive their onslaught? Let's ignore welding gas, solder, flux, burning any plastics, and coal. Why not just be honest and say "I don't like the smell." That's why I don't like it. I also hate that every damn smoker seems to use the world as his or her ashtray. Second hand smoke is worse than car exhaust. Firstly, a perfect combustion would produce only water and carbon-dioxide. You can't survive by breathing either, but they won't kill you either (AFAIK, CO2 is not poisonous to humans). Of course, no combustion engine is perfect so there are poisonous byproducts, such as carbon-monoxide (CO), but they're at a relatively small concentration. In fact, most exhaust smells good to me, which is generally not a sign of something that will kill you. Of course, combustion exhaust from billions and billions of machines can certainly do harm, but that's not really the same thing as inhaling the dissipating exhaust of a car or six. Obviously, we know that being trapped with the exhaust of your car can kill you, but I would guess that it's because it's converting the oxygen required to breathe into carbon-dioxide, which isn't useful to breathe unless you're a plant. Cigarette smoke is a lot worse for you due to all of the horrible chemicals they use during the tobacco growth and processing. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I know that inhaling second hand cigarette smoke (or Hell, filtered first-hand) is more than uncomfortable. If you've ever been in a room full of smoke then you'll probably recognize that your body considers it harmful. Your throat begins to seal up (unless you're a career smoker, in which case it's been convinced that it's "normal"). Honestly, I can't even visit my brother without my throat completely closing up, making it hurt for me to breath or speak. And that's within like 5 minutes. And I'm no virgin to smoking, as I've smoked plenty of cigarettes and cigars myself. One is full of very harmful chemicals and the other produces mostly harmless chemicals. Chris Katko said: Who gives a shit if it's going to help you relax. Cigarettes don't help you to relax. They satisfy a craving, which makes your body stop saying "I NEED A CIGARETTE. I NEED A CIGARETTE. I NEED A CIGARETTE." Nobody has ever smoked a cigarette for the first time and thought, "Wow, this is so relaxing." -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
![]() |
bamccaig said: In fact, most exhaust smells good to me, which is generally not a sign of something that will kill you. My dad used to yell at me and my sister for purposely sniffing the exhaust of a 1960's car that had just started up in the wintertime, choke full on, rich as hell. We thought it "smelled good". Even now, diesel fumes bring back fond memories of working down on the farm. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
X-G
Member #856
December 2000
![]() |
Chris Katko said: Wrong. A warrior is not a barbarian class. Then where were you when Diablo 2 was released? By all reason you should have been crying your head off back then, too, not to mention "giving up", since there is no Warrior class in that game either. -- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
![]() |
Arthur Kalliokoski said: Why can't some enterprising young man open a "smoke-free" bar? If it's so desirable, he'll be swamped with business!
Most people still know an overwhelming number of friends that smoke. Those people are likely going to prefer going to a joint where they can smoke in the comfort and warmth of their seats instead of getting up to go stand in the subzero temperatures outside. The popular crowd invariably has influential smokers in it. If the government doesn't enforce it, a business that goes "smoke-free" will be an utter failure because so many people smoke. It would be a social stigma. It would be the uncool place to be based on the opinions of a select few. Choosing such a place would be disagreeing with your friends' decision to smoke, which they will likely take offensively. Besides, it doesn't really do you much good to go to one venue that's smoke-free if you've spent the past week in smoke-filled ones. Unless you propose that they start opening up two separate buildings for every business/event. The fact is that the scientists, government, and most of the sensible people in the world recognize that cigarettes are overwhelmingly bad for you, but they also happen to be a "cool" thing to do, especially in high school when your body and mind are vulnerable, after which point you are likely addicted to smoking and can't stop. Since everyone can agree that smoking is bad for you and there really is no benefit at all, then it makes sense to start deterring people from smoking, and work towards a smoke-free future. You still have the right to smoke, but you have to do it where you aren't so directly harming others. In Ontario, it's also against the law for businesses to advertise or display cigarettes in the open. They now have to keep them behind covers and not advertise at all. The aim is to not expose children to them as much. When I was a kid, most of my adult family members smoked, so it was just the cool thing to do. My brother and I used to get $1 every week from our grandfather to walk down to the nearest Mom & Pop and buy some candy. Invariably, we'd always max out on Popeye Cigarettes, and then spend whatever was left over on the next best thing (typically sour, gummy candy IIRC). The Popeye Cigarettes were essentially a white stick of sugar with a red end (simulating a lit cigarette). We typically wouldn't just eat the sticks, but we would pretend to be smoking them. Eventually, our parents caught on and stopped us from doing it (so we'd only do it when out of sight). -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
![]() |
Arthur Kalliokoski said: Not entirely It really is the same thing. Cigarette/Cigar smoking in public is assault. And smoking is suicide. Both of which are, and have been illegal for quite a while. It just happens to take a bit longer than normal. Could even call it torture. Cigarette smoke residue on clothing tends to make it harder for me to breathe, the smoke itself makes my asthma act up pretty fierce, and very little makes my asthma act up. -- |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
![]() |
Chris Katko said: You don't think twice about sitting at a stop light with your windows down surrounded by idling cars. You don't think twice about standing behind a car. Yeah, I do, actually. Anyway, I have nothing against people who smoke. They can do it as much as they please for all I care. As long as they're not bothering me that is. |
furinkan
Member #10,271
October 2008
![]() |
Sorry to be on topic for once, but I'm not buying anything Blizzard until it stops bathing in a puddle of mediocrity. StarCraft is still sold in all our local retail stores, despite it having little copy protection, the spawn feature (one copy = full lan party), and it being over 12 years old! If you simply make the best games people will buy them for years to come. If you waste efforts on futile things, your game will suck. Then people like me will boycott your company over stupid things like no local lan play. No spawn is fine, but shit! Does everything have to validate through the internet? |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
![]() |
Evert said: Anyway, I have nothing against people who smoke. They can do it as much as they please for all I care. As long as they're not bothering me that is. Ditto. Or say, their own kids. If you choose to smoke, or choose to live with someone who smokes, thats fine. Just don't force it on anyone else. -- |
Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
![]() |
bamccaig said: Second hand smoke is worse than car exhaust. Firstly, a perfect combustion would produce only water and carbon-dioxide. You can't survive by breathing either, but they won't kill you either (AFAIK, CO2 is not poisonous to humans). Of course, no combustion engine is perfect so there are poisonous byproducts, such as carbon-monoxide (CO), but they're at a relatively small concentration. In fact, most exhaust smells good to me, which is generally not a sign of something that will kill you. Of course, combustion exhaust from billions and billions of machines can certainly do harm, but that's not really the same thing as inhaling the dissipating exhaust of a car or six. You are very wrong on this. Cigarette smoke smells good to people, but you shouldn't breathe it. Gasoline smells good to people but you shouldn't inhale it. "Perfect combustion does not exist" to quote my Thermodynamics teacher. There are always unburnt biproducts of a combustion process. We only use perfect combustion as a baseline to calculate numbers then we go through the process again but with the assumption that the process isn't perfect. As for the combustion biproducts, they're always present . NO2 results from having very high combustion temperatures (which are required for high Carnot efficiencies). You're literally ripping Nitrogen bonds apart in the air and recombining them with oxygen. Carbon monoxide is going to happen any time there is a region that is oxygen starved. The mixture could be oxygen rich and still not mix with every carbon atom because fuel mixtures are never completely homogeneous. Also, car engines actually don't run with stoichiometric fuel ratios for much of their driving time. They often run rich or lean depending on load. Rich tends to reduce the chance of detonation and increase power because it ensures more fuel atoms reach oxygen atoms, but extra fuel atoms are left over. So every time you use full throttle, you are putting out significant emissions. Evert said: Yeah, I do, actually. Anyway, I have nothing against people who smoke. They can do it as much as they please for all I care. As long as they're not bothering me that is. Well of course I wasn't directing it at you. It's more of the people who are hyper-sensitive to cigarettes but only because they've been trained that way. They don't apply the same logic to every other part of their lives. bamccaig said: Cigarettes don't help you to relax. They satisfy a craving, which makes your body stop saying "I NEED A CIGARETTE. I NEED A CIGARETTE. I NEED A CIGARETTE." Nobody has ever smoked a cigarette for the first time and thought, "Wow, this is so relaxing." Have you ever smoked a cigarette? Or even known someone who does? X-G said: Then where were you when Diablo 2 was released? By all reason you should have been crying your head off back then, too, not to mention "giving up", since there is no Warrior class in that game either. Did I say that was the only reason, or was it implied to be apart of a bigger problem? -----sig: |
X-G
Member #856
December 2000
![]() |
Care to answer my question? You make it sound like "wah no Warrior" is a new issue. I think you're just looking for things to whine about. Chris Katko said: Diablo II doesn't even have a warrior class. What exactly am I playing? I know they wrote "diablo" all over it, but that's were the resemblance ends."
-- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
![]() |
Arthur Kalliokoski said: Why can't some enterprising young man open a "smoke-free" bar? If it's so desirable, he'll be swamped with business! Why can't smokers move to a country with out these laws? -- |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
![]() |
Chris Katko said: If you think I'm going to give Blizzard more money after my B.NET experience, you fail to see my ability to find other things to do with my time. If anyone thinks you're going to buy Diablo 3 based on what's been said, then they fail at more important things than that! furinkan said: Does everything have to validate through the internet? How else will they know when you're playing it? Chris Katko said: It's more of the people who are hyper-sensitive to cigarettes but only because they've been trained that way. You mean... non-smokers? Those people who trained themselves to resist unhealthy, disgusting, expensive, smelly habits? "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
![]() |
bamccaig said: Firstly, a perfect combustion would produce only water and carbon-dioxide. Firstly, we could say that about anything. In a perfect world, there would be no problems. Quote: In fact, most exhaust smells good to me, which is generally not a sign of something that will kill you. Burgers smell good to me, but the nanny state tells me the grease is bad for me. Some people think cigarette smoke smells good. This is hardly an argument at all. Quote: Obviously, we know that being trapped with the exhaust of your car can kill you, but I would guess that it's because it's converting the oxygen required to breathe into carbon-dioxide, which isn't useful to breathe unless you're a plant. You're wrong again. Car exhaust killing you has nothing to do withthe lack of oxygen... Quote: Cigarettes don't help you to relax. They satisfy a craving, which makes your body stop saying "I NEED A CIGARETTE. I NEED A CIGARETTE. I NEED A CIGARETTE." Nobody has ever smoked a cigarette for the first time and thought, "Wow, this is so relaxing." * Nobody has ever played a video game for the first time and thought, "Wow, this is so relaxing."
I was shocked to read this post of yours, even after considering that it was a post written by you. |
Billybob
Member #3,136
January 2003
|
bamccaig said: Obviously, we know that being trapped with the exhaust of your car can kill you, but I would guess that it's because it's converting the oxygen required to breathe into carbon-dioxide, which isn't useful to breathe unless you're a plant. Time for some Science! Carbon Monoxide is the killer here. It binds to your hemoglobin, preventing the transport of oxygen from your lungs to the rest of your body. Being trapped inside a garage with a running car raises the CO concentrations to toxic levels, starving your body of oxygen, while leaving the CO2 levels the same. Your body's choking response only occurs in the presence of increased CO2; you don't choke for lack of oxygen. Thus, your body runs out of oxygen and you lose consciousness without the typical involuntary choking reaction. Carbon monoxide poisoning is more difficult with modern cars, though. A good old coal stove does a far better job. EDIT: More science! CO is highly toxic, but your body will clear it out in time when given the chance, with no long term effects (unless you've become brain damaged for lack of oxygen). Long-term exposure to CO, on the other hand, can lead to a variety of aliments. Carbon monoxide poisoning.
|
Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
![]() |
Derezo said: You mean... non-smokers? Those people who trained themselves to resist unhealthy, disgusting, expensive, smelly habits? You missed the most important point. Your over-reaction to smoking, and under-reaction to equally (if not more) harmful gases present in your daily life. I never said I like smoke, or cigarettes. This is just like people's over-reaction to germs. People freak out if you say, don't wash your hands in the bathroom. Yet, if you used a urinal, it's very likely that the faucet handle and the door handle have more germs than your genitals. People's hands and faces are more germ infested than their butts. People's kitchens are far more infested than their bathrooms. The silly fact is that people do not apply the scary reaction norm based on any logical rational at all. It's the look of being intelligent (avoiding germs!) without actually being it (you're not). Washing your hands with plain water [and plain soup] removes a good 90% of germs. Water. Anti-bacterial soup is handed out like you need it to survive, and then you touch the door knob removing any sanitation you might have had. Meanwhile, we're actually making germs stronger because the only ones that survive are the ones immune to anti-bacterial soup. So we're breeding bacteria that we won't be able to fight in ~50 years. We're actually setting ourselves up for a massive epidemic in the future. But it's okay! We look like we know what we're doing. People apply health concerns without any rational at all. *Added line in square brackets. X-G said: Care to answer my question? You make it sound like "wah no Warrior" is a new issue. I think you're just looking for things to whine about. If you can't tell that I'm dissatisfied with the entire product and it's provider, I'll just say it plainly: I'm dissatisfied with the entire product and its provider. If I end up bragging about how awesome D3 is next year, feel free to make me eat my words. But unless Blizzard has a huge change of heart, that simply won't be happening. The company that I loved (and loved me back) simply doesn't exist anymore. -----sig: |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
![]() |
Chris Katko said: People apply health concerns without any rational at all. Yes, people overreact to cancer. Dur. ITS FSCKING CANCER. -- |
Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
![]() |
Thomas Fjellstrom said: Yes, people overreact to cancer. Dur. ITS FSCKING CANCER. Correlation is not causation. Walking through a puff of smoke does not mean you will get cancer and die. Moreover, if it was, you would get cancer from the highway long before you got it from a smoker. Did you read my posts at all? Do you know how much gas is pushed through a typical engine driving for only an hour? -----sig: |
|
|