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World of Goo: Until Oct. 25, pay what you want for it
ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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There will be as many people below the median as above it. Even at 40k there are very likely a bunch of 'people who work full time' living at 20k and still 'people who work full time' that make 10k. If you say all these people live uncomfortably that's fine though I disagree with you. America is a very rich and easy country to live in. It's possible to live very nicely off 10k.

It's also ridiculously easy to get 10k a year. Compare that the hoards of impoverished countries out there and that 10k starts to sound like some kind of paradise.

What people usually mean when they say "no one can live off 25k" is "I can't live in my favorite expensive city". This is a very different thing to say.

It would be more difficult to say "it's impossible to live off 25k" if all the people making that much, and going on living, were sitting there listening.

bamccaig said:

How many 14 year olds do you know that can support themselves, let alone a family? I know none. And even with them, it's STILL more than $24K!

The reality is that these 14 year olds must be provided for regardless of their income. The income will simply be drained from someone else's salary.

You can't look at these numbers as when employment starts but as when expenses start.

relay01
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It's possible to live very nicely off 10k.

Where do you live?

I agree the cost of living varies from state to state, and it's pretty easy to get 10k a year. But 10k a year living comfortably?

10k a year jobs don't often include things like:
- health insurance
- travel expenses
- food?

What do you eat besides Top Romen with 10k a year?

At my worst times (when I made least income to expense ratio in my life) I had $650 per month rent for a 1 bedroom hole in the wall and barely could afford food. I made about 10k a year (before taxes)

I was not living nicely. Had I gotten sick or injured, I'd be boned.

10k a year can only feasibly mean.
- only taking public transportation
- only eating very unhealthily
- never going to a doctor/dentist
- living alone most likely unless with someone else making 10k a year.
- no luxuries whatsoever.

I doubt anyone considers that living nicely.

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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Comfort is a relative thing. If your standard is higher that will sound awful. If your standard is lower that will sound amazing.

It's a bit silly I suppose to start saying one thing is comfortable and one is not while attempting an objective discussion. Much more interesting is how half the population is under $24k/yr.

edit One quick semantics check

relay01 said:

I doubt anyone considers that living nicely.

I'll bet a lot of people in Africa do. Anyone is a large group.

LennyLen
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December 2004
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relay01 said:

At my worst times (when I made least income to expense ratio in my life) I had $650 per month rent for a 1 bedroom hole in the wall and barely could afford food.

I'm glad I don't live there. You can rent an entire house here for about US$650 a month. And I mean a reasonable quality one as well, within 20 minutes of the city centre.

Matthew Leverton
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I could live off of $500/month in a rural area. $830/month would be very comfortable living.

In fact, I've been living off of $12,000 per year for the past couple of years. And that includes going to (without any debt) university. :o

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Back on topic, they posted more information:

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After their first post (on the 8th) donations went upwards (they assume it was after informing they were not seeing money for donations of $0.30 and lower).

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Linux users usually donated more money than Windows users, while over 65% were Windows buyer. I downloaded the tar.gz version, for reference.

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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I was thinking of doing a 'free' promotion where I give away the game until a certain date. I'd advertise the free until date everywhere and try to get as many people as possible to download it.

Then presumably it would start costing money and all those free games out there are your advertisements.

Could it work?

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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It would be better if you were to do microtransactions on top of the free game, like map packs, more enemy and item variety, etc. At least, I think so.

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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I've noticed some hostility in iPhone App reviews for this concept. I'm not quite sure how to react. Ideas?

It seems to work really well for Guitar Hero where you can buy playable songs. That's genius...

Hard Rock
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September 2001
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I've noticed some hostility in iPhone App reviews for this concept. I'm not quite sure how to react. Ideas?

I believe the reason this is done (perhaps someone else can confirm/deny) is that by setting a paid for product to free there is the hope that there is a large spike in popularity, enough to get the app onto the main page of top "x" apps, and then charge for it once it gets there. It's more for placement then just word of mouth.

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