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The National TEA party
Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Right, its the party that pushes for it, but most real republicans that you talk to don't actually believe in what the party pushes.

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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I still find funny that you must pay your annual taxes in advance. We pay them as we use them.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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ReyBrujo said:

I still find funny that you must pay your annual taxes in advance. We pay them as we use them.

You don't have to. The Govt taking your taxes out of each paycheck is more of a convenience. The year end "taxday" you either get a refund or have to give them money based on how much you over or under paid.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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Yes, the gas stations around here require you to pre-pay before they'll turn the pump on as a convenience to you :P

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

StevenVI
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July 2000
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ReyBrujo said:

you must pay your annual taxes in advance

I know that they allow you to do that if you want, but it certainly is not required. For most people, taxes are paid as you earn the money that gets taxed here, unless you are referencing a country other than the US, in which case I look like a moron now...

And 999 times out of 1000, too much is taken out, so they have to give it back to you. Of course they don't pay interest on that extra money they took. (The state of New Mexico does though, so my refund from them is always nice. Like a little low-interest savings account. ;))

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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But it is required. :P

If you owe more than $1,000 in taxes, you are in trouble. Read up on estimated taxes.

StevenVI
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July 2000
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Read up on estimated taxes.

Yes, if you are making money that is not withheld for you. I forgot about that case, and you are right.

Since I have only earned money that was not withheld once, I never really considered it something that most people had to worry about, though I suppose in the software industry it is probably rather common. (I'm not a fan of the excessive self-employment tax, so I have avoided contract work.)

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ReyBrujo
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Yes, the gas stations around here require you to pre-pay before they'll turn the pump on as a convenience to you

Here you are innocent until they can prove your guilt too :P So, how much each around pays in gov taxes?

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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ReyBrujo said:

Here you are innocent until they can prove your guilt too

I was pretty shocked when I found out that in the US, civil offenses aren't covered under that rule. So they can basically prosecute you for anything "civil" and you have to fight it to get out of it. However, it costs time and money to do that, so many people accept small civil cases (regardless of justice).

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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Its no use trying to convince Dustin of anything

Convince me of something useful.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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civil offenses aren't covered under that rule.

It's a matter of preponderance of evidence rather than making sure the state doesn't prosecute possible innocents.

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Tobias Dammers
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August 2002
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I was pretty shocked when I found out that in the US, civil offenses aren't covered under that rule. So they can basically prosecute you for anything "civil" and you have to fight it to get out of it.

Civil cases are not about "is the defendant guilty or not", they are about "how much does person A owe person B".
If person A claims person B owes him/her amount X due to a given situation, the civil lawsuit is there to clarify if X is indeed the lawful amount; the concept of "guilt" is sometimes, but not necessarily always, a part of this process. Even if there is no guilt involved anywhere, there may be lawful claims between two persons, and a civil lawsuit may determine that some amount needs to be paid.

For example, in a traffic accident, the question who needs to pay for the damage is inevitable (the costs don't just go away by themselves), and often, both parties pay a part of the total damage based on how large their estimated share in causing the accident was - even without rigid proof either way.

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