Up here income tax was supposed to be temporary, but then so was the GST, and many other taxes. Doesn't mean its not a legal tax.

Hehe, I was expecting this kind of reaction.

Well, I've heard/read otherwise. Not saying you're wrong, of course. I realize there are many contradicting theories regarding this matter and it's very hard to determine who's right, since there seem to be intelligent people arguing each point.

Well, I'm also of the school of thought that the government shouldn't even be responsible for all those things, as I would think most people are who believe that income tax is unconstitutional.

Well, if anything, I fail at reading comprehension, as it was something I read, not something I came up with myself.

Well, once again, you can call BS on me, but this a topic that many smart people have argued, and I from what I've read, it still seems that no one can point out any law which explicitly states that you have to pay income taxes. I can't argue it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have an argument, and I believe that it does.

Oh I'm fully aware that there is still time for them to come around. But I've looked at some statistics and, based on my understandings, it seems highly unlikely that they will. And if I start making enough money where it might actually matter, then who knows, maybe I'll have a change of heart and start paying.

I don't claim to understand income tax law, as I know it is very complicated. So yes, I know that I am very ignorant on the matter. You can say I'm incorrect and very ignorant, fine, and I won't have any thing to come back with. However, I am not the only person in the world who believes this. There are many intelligent people who are making the same claim, and to call them equally ignorant would be ridiculous.

Yes, people have gone to jail for not filing income taxes. I'm not going to pretend to understand the law surrounding the reasons why people go to jail. All I know is what people have told me and what I've read. And I also know (well, I presume) that many people have gone to jail for unjust reasons, which I think may have been the case for many people who have gone to jail for income taxes. However I really can't know because I don't know the details of the situations, and I'm not in a position to make that kind of judgment anyway.

Well, your really just questioning my judgment, as this isn't my own reasoning.

Hehe, well, that's what my circle of political advisors (i.e., friends and such) actually believe (and so I have come to believe as well, for as much as that's worth).

I know my position in this argument seems very weak, but well, I guess I'm not out to change anybody's mind. And yes, I suppose I could be considered ignorant, but unless you're all knowing, ignorance is kind of relative. For example, somebody who truly believes income taxes are unconstitutional could call me ignorant if I didn't agree. I'm always going to be considered ignorant by at least a few people, and more of course if my views are considered radical by the general public. But that doesn't mean they are wrong.

I don't claim to know the truth regarding this topic, and I know that I don't know enough to make even a good judgment. But based on what I've been told, my judgment is telling me that the "truth" I have chosen is closer to the real truth.

I don't go around believing what everyone tells me, because if I did I would have folded the first time I my original post was contended. However, at the same time, I really only know what people have told me. Granted, I can draw my own conclusions, but those conclusions are also likely to be amalgamations of things that I have heard in the past. Recognizing that, all I can do is believe what seems to be the most correct to me at the moment and hope for the best. My stance on income tax is the result of that philosophy. And it will take more than ridicule to change my mind. However, since my opinion on the matter is of little importance to most of you, I don't think anyone will bother trying. Although I do enjoy talking about it, with what little knowledge I have.

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Got a citation on that? Most agree that the first World War began in 1914.
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It was probably a backward compatible explanation

I still like the claim that tax evasion isn't illegal. People go to jail for it, and otherwise get in real trouble. You can't go to jail for something that isn't illegal.

Even if it is unconstitutional, I doubt you can afford to bring it all the way up to the supreme court. And if you could, you'd be rich enough to hire accountants to let you pay very little tax anyhow, thereby avoiding the extra cost and hassle.

Income tax is unjust and awful. Plain and simple. Its no different than theft.

In addition, the economic impacts of a 40% tax on the rich are numerous. That and lawsuits have turned society into this bizarre risk-adverse scared-of-doing-anything child.

Right. And next you'll be saying regulation, universal healthcare and education are bad

Rest of the world, I am so envious of your health care systems.

In other words, it's not working as it's supposed to.
I also have a hard time believing it's that hard to see a dentist every half year (or year) for general checkups and then go to the same dentist when you have a more acute problem.

An interesting hypothesis. You should do some research to investigate this instead of writing it off as fact. (In my experience, crime is more concentrated around the poorer people.)

So if someone buys you a round, you are a thief?

This is so ridiculously stupid that I have to point out that it is ridiculously stupid.

If you want to redefine theft as "any stealing which is not publicly condoned" than you must also approve of the Nazi's pilfering of tremendous wealth and the Egyptians approved usage of slavery. Or how about the Vikings approved pillaging throughout Europe?

No, the regime today is just oppressive as any regime who decides to 40% enslave people. Or are you just excited its someone else and not you being 40% enslaved?

One more thing...

In Q1 of 2009 Walmart paid a tax of $1,959 Million which is a tax rate (based on income) of 33.3% ref

Its no use trying to convince Dustin of anything, he seems to be the personification of everything the current US Republican party believes in. (many staunch republican's don't even go that far...)